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[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 60 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They know this looks awful, they know it will piss off their scared populace, and they're doing it anyway. Which means that the estimates of the amount of population ready to bail on Israel if the relatively minor missile strikes escalate must be absolutely massive.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 24 points 1 week ago

It's hilarious how they kept pushing this "We have nowhere else to go" line when they have the population with the highest dual citizenship rate who can literally just move back home to their families in the US and Europe.

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 54 points 1 week ago

Sorry sweetie but only Hamas takes hostages and uses human shields, this is just sparkling kidnapping.

[–] Meh@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago

In bad country, the people are imprisoned and expected to give their lives for the brutal dictator yeonmi-park

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought they said Hamas was doing this with the people of Gaza

Every accusation a confession (getting real tired of how often this is the case)

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 12 points 1 week ago

hopefully when this way is over we get their projection technology, it puts IMAX to shame

[–] acab_means_cop_Dva@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No way. If you are 'just visiting' the settler outpost at this late date for any reason you deserve to be trapped there too.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago

The contradictions, Duke! The contradictions!

[–] Grownbravy@hexbear.net 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

that's literally the line Farquaad said in Shrek

[–] Guamer@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago

The entity sure has a thing for imprisoning groups of people

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Are they going to do the Ukkkraine thing and start kidnapping people to conscript them? Lmao

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 15 points 1 week ago

they have been doing that since 1949.

[–] caboose2006@lemm.ee -3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Who is Ukraine kidnapping with sources please.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

This might be what they are referring to. Here are some sections that covers their claim

Maksym, who has a young daughter and wife who is seven months pregnant, said he was sorry to miss the wedding but was afraid of being “grabbed” by conscription officers who he likened to “bandits”. The mobilisation squads have a fearsome reputation, especially in Odesa, for pulling people off buses and from train stations and ferrying them straight to enlistment centres. For those avoiding the draft, public transport is now off limits. So too are restaurants, supermarkets, and weekend trips to the park to play football.

When I asked whether he was there out of choice, he told me he had been “kidnapped” that morning and brought against his will. “The officers encircled me so I couldn’t run,” he stuttered in shock. “I’m devastated."

Last year, while on his way to work, he was ordered off a bus by the military at gun point, he said, and taken to an enlistment centre. He convinced the officers to let him go to fetch some documents, but vowed to himself he would never return. “I’m not a military man, I’ve never held a weapon, I don’t think I can be useful on the front line,” he said.

This is only one source but I am sure you could find more if you simply looked up "Ukraine forced conscription" literally all I had to do.

[–] caboose2006@lemm.ee -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

All conscription is "forced" conscription though. US conscripts would be forced to fight or go to jail. Kidnapping is not an accurate description at all. You ignore draft orders you're a fugitive. Simple as

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

First of all, they doesn't make it right or not kidnapping. You literally asked who they were kidnapping and I showed you a source that even used the word kidnapping. What else could you have possibly expected. What else would you call and armed gunman forcibly taking you to a second location. Just take the L dumbass. The Ukrainian working class is being forced to fight and die for western geopolitical interests and you are unwilling to see it.

[–] caboose2006@lemm.ee 0 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I'd argue that's not kidnapping. Yes, the guy being interviewed is quoted as saying kidnapped, but that doesn't make it kidnapping. We're not arguing morality here, we're arguing whether or not a country enforcing it's conscription laws is kidnapping. And it's not. Do you go after South Korea for imprisoning people who refuse the draft there? Seems pretty hypocritical to me, but that's not surprise, ya gotta be a hypocrite to support Russia.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I would call what I read kidnapping regardless of country

[–] caboose2006@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Then we have a fundamental disagreement on kidnapping

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

You had already decided your position before I presented evidence

[–] SeducingCamel@hexbear.net 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can't wait for your dogshit instance to close

[–] caboose2006@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago

You know we can just migrate to a new one right? Man, you need to get out more if that is what you can't wait for

[–] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago

Imperial boomerang is a fuck.

[–] TheaJo@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

oh they are so cooked

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 18 points 1 week ago

looking forward to the german op-eds that grapple with the Tel Aviv Wall

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 14 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Is it weird that I feel bad for the Israeli population right now, even though they’re mostly pro genocide Zionists?

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, it's normal to have empathy. There are 'israelis' who are the product of their environment, but in my opinion they're just as bad, if not worse than Nazis.

The "average" nazi was able to give themselves plausible deniability, "I've never seen the concentration camps! Even if it is happening, I don't know for sure."

Zionists are perfectly fine with their genocide though, cheering for the removed of prisoners, to the point they would raid a prison to free the violators.

There are telegram groups where the genocide is broadcasted, and they cheer for the horrific images when they're posted.

Sure, there is a handful who are aware it is wrong, but we could say this about America as well.

If Xi sent the nukes and I was a casualty, I wouldn't complain lmao.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 11 points 1 week ago

to give themselves plausible deniability, "I've never seen the concentration camps! Even if it is happening, I don't know for sure."

This is why I hate libs too; the military commits horrific crimes all the time, and we get snippets all the time and those minor snippets alone are always horrifically bad. Plausible deniability is the bread and butter of libs, and of all the times to hold on to it, they're holding on to it during times of war (which is always).

[–] NewDark@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Remember. The population was polled, about half want to kill every Gazan, and like 80-90% are on board with ethnically cleansing Gaza.

There are some un-brain fucked in the populace, but it's probably the most morally bankrupt population on the planet. Some empathy is good, but don't lose sight of the real and larger group of victims.

[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don’t fully agree although Israel does have one of the worst populations , I would argue that Germans are worse because I can Name people from the Israeli communist party and Haaretz and people like Ilan Pappe

While on the other hand Germany

Just no one is good there

[–] NewDark@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The fact we're splitting hairs about the bottom of the barrel is a damning indictment, but fair perspective thank you.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 7 points 1 week ago

Nah I know man. I get it.

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I feel bad for the kids, not their fault their parents are genocidal nazis and I feel bad for them just being raised in that hate which is itself a form of child abuse

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago
[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 14 points 1 week ago

Not at all. They are still human.

There should be safe humanitarian corridors, allowing settlers to leave Palestine for the safety of their home countries.

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Honestly? I don't feel bad for the genocidal ones, just the few who are opposed to the horrors that are happening; that said, I do still believe in principles and I would never support the harming of civilians even if I detest them. I certainly hope Israelis at least wake up to their government seeing their lives and well-being as a tool; I don't believe it'll lead to empathy on their part, but maybe they'll try to prevent their government from doing something stupid the next time.

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah I feel similarly.

[–] ClathrateG@hexbear.net 10 points 1 week ago

Freedom has many difficulties and democracy is not perfect, but we have never had to put a wall up to keep our people in, to prevent them from leaving us.

-JFKKK

[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago