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submitted 11 months ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy said Friday he would deport the children of undocumented immigrants with their families, despite them already being U.S. citizens.

“There are legally contested questions under the 14th Amendment of whether the child of an illegal immigrant is indeed a child who enjoys birthright citizenship or not,” Ramaswamy said after a town hall in Iowa.

Ramaswamy is not the only GOP candidate to question U.S. citizenship rules. Former President Trump announced in late May that on his first day back in office, he would seek to end birthright citizenship by way of an executive order.

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[-] CoggyMcFee@lemmy.world 114 points 11 months ago

This guy will literally say anything if he thinks it will get him what he wants.

[-] Canopyflyer@lemmy.world 60 points 11 months ago

He has a couple of very specific jobs for the Republicans.

  1. He's the token minority so that the GOP can point and say; "SEE WE'RE NOT RACIST, WE HAVE THIS GUY IN THE PRIMARY."

  2. He's moving the crazy line further out. He's saying more and more outlandish things, so that the other insane assholes that are running, seem positively nice in comparison. Even though, compared to actual sentiment of the public at large, they are beyond deranged.

I am sure this asshole is well paid by the GOP.

[-] jtmetcalfe 8 points 11 months ago

I think he and his advisors are severely underestimating the entrenched racism of their base, especially the far right wing that he is trying to court. Oh yeah, and he’s also a Harvard and Yale educated lawyer who attended school on scholarship from a Soros. And he’s Hindu, and a vegetarian.

[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 32 points 11 months ago

Take any GOP position on any topic. Now distort that (which alone is probably bad enough as is) until it's the most ridiculously ludicrous extreme position you could possibly take. Now imagine it being said by a badly written cartoon villan. That's the position that this guy takes on anything. I'm not even 100% convinced he's a believer in his own bullshit. His entire campaign seems to be focused on catering almost exclusively to the ones who are so far to the right that even the MAGA nuts give them the side-eye.

I swear the guy would gut and eat a live puppy right in front of the 5 year old that it belonged to if it meant it would get him four extra votes from a family in Montana or something.

I would write this off as little more than a twisted publicity stunt rather than a campaign meant to be taken seriously, but the last time I said that was Trump when he came down that escalator in 2015.

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[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Duh, he's a Republican.

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[-] omgitsaheadcrab@sh.itjust.works 94 points 11 months ago

An immigrant, in a country of immigrants, deciding he doesn't like those that came after... 🤷🏼‍♂️

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

In the “Law and Order” party, but thinks you can override the Constitution by executive order

[-] mustardman@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They are also strict constitutionalists except all the places they are strictly not.

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

Truly the story of America, but not in the good way.

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Nah he isn’t an immigrant, he’s all ours. His parents are immigrants though. He’s as American as chili on spaghetti.

[-] SuddenlyBlowGreen@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Nah he isn’t an immigrant, he’s all ours. His parents are immigrants though.

So he's trying to get rid of the way of getting citizenship as he got his?

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[-] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

A truly spoilt bastard. Pulling up the ladder.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago

He’s a pawn getting paid to throw his own kind under the bus. I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a actual deal made for him to run as the token immigrant, with specific dollar amounts.

[-] kitonthenet@kbin.social 56 points 11 months ago

You do realize that birthright citizenship is almost entirely nonexistent in Europe, Asia, Africa, and Austrailia, right?

at no point in the history of america has "but yurop does it" been a suitable justification for a policy. We are specifically trying to be better than europe

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 11 months ago

Failing spectacularly I might add.

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[-] felykiosa@sh.itjust.works 23 points 11 months ago

I m French and this is complete bullshit . If you re birth in France you are French at your 18 birthday.

[-] kitonthenet@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago

This was originally meant to be a reply to a guy down the thread, but they deleted it before I posted so it showed up here. You can find the context down there too!

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[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 54 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I'm going to be honest, I'm not a fan of birthright citizenship either. I believe a person born in the US should need at least one parent to be a citizen or lawful permanent resident in order to obtain citizenship, and the system as currently set up is routinely abused (See the Chinese tourist industry as an example). But my personal opinion directly conflicts with the Constitution, and guess which one matters?

There's absolutely no ambiguity here. The Constitution clearly states that any person born on US soil is a US citizen, full stop. There are no disqualifiers listed. Doesn't matter where your parents came from. Doesn't matter if they just showed up in the US 5 minutes ago. If they were born on US soil, they are a US citizen. Any change to that requires a Constitutional amendment. And the chances of that happening any time in the foreseeable future are less than zero.

EDIT: I just want to point out that requirements that at least one parent is a citizen and/or has established long term residency in the country is the standard in the UK, Austrailia, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Israel, Spain, and several other countries.

[-] kitonthenet@kbin.social 57 points 11 months ago

Ending birthright chitizenship is the quickest way to a starship troopers style citizen/non-citizen class divide you can concoct, which is ironically the specific situation the 14th amendment was written to avoid, because prior to that none of the enslaved people were citizens so all their descendants wouldn’t be either

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago

Exactly. Combine that with Native Americans and how we still have a problem with treating brown skinned folks like immigrants even when their family has been in a place since before it was America, especially in the portions of the country that once were Mexico. And we’ve also got the fact that we utilize long term labor from immigrants en masse.

There’s also the logical consistency thing. We’re the nation of immigrants. If you’re born here and raised here you’re one of us. I’d be willing to change it from birth to x time in childhood but that’s a lot of work for something I just don’t see as an issue. I think the way we’re making ourselves unappealing to immigrant labor is a much bigger problem in this country.

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[-] anthoniix@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

I think the birthright citizenship is the way to go. If you're born in the US I think that should be the point where we go "Okay, you're a citizen". We could have a situation where a group of people are perpetually denied citizenship for some reason that's advantageous to another group, and that ensures their children can't becomes citizens either.

[-] kitonthenet@kbin.social 18 points 11 months ago

We could have a situation where a group of people are perpetually denied citizenship for some reason that’s advantageous to another group, and that ensures their children can’t becomes citizens either

We did! It was slavery, slaves and their descendants were not citizens, and if it were not for birthright citizenship from the 14th amendment, would not be citizens today

[-] anthoniix@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Yeah :)

That's exactly what I was implying lol

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[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 17 points 11 months ago

This debate has been ongoing in Canada for a while now, but personally I'm going to hold off on forming an opinion until someone can actually prove it's an issue, because in Canada only ~500 births per year are from mothers who don't live in Canada. It's not even worth forming an opinion over, it's just another polarizing distraction. Not sure if it's as much of a non-issue in the US as well, but honestly it's not even worth thinking about until someone shares some actual data.

[-] Nightwingdragon@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Much, MUCH different in the US.

There were just shy of 800,000 births by undocumented immigrants between 2010 and 2016, or over 110,000 births per year. So several orders of magnitude above Canada.

[-] Steeve@lemmy.ca 8 points 11 months ago

Technically only a single order of magnitude in terms of total births (3% vs 0.1%). Up to Americans to determine whether 3% of all births is worth worrying about though.

[-] JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

It’s not worrying, only racists are upset about this. A growing, working, tax-paying population is only good for a nation. Almost every single one of those 110k a year will spend 5-7 decades contributing to the American economy and workforce, that’s a plus in my book regardless of how they got here.

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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 39 points 11 months ago

This is the same Republican party that vehemently defends the 2nd Amendment whose definition is much more widely "contested", despite having much more real and dire consequences than the 14th.

[-] Rapidcreek@reddthat.com 35 points 11 months ago

He's such a little shi*. The Martin Shkreli of politicians. Though the GOP has a number of those.

[-] some_guy 29 points 11 months ago

You know what else is contested? The second gd amendment.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 27 points 11 months ago

"Vote for me! I'm an asshole too!"

[-] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 25 points 11 months ago

How about we deport this shitbag instead?

[-] GreenMario@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Yeah no way he is a citizen. I WANT HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE

[-] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago
[-] Gork@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

In triplicate.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

Not that I don't think he actually believes in this bullshit but he's just saying whatever he can to get that easy money from the party of White Supremacy.

[-] OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee 19 points 11 months ago

Imagine if the brown man promising to deport US citizens was a Democrat, how Republicans would react.

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[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

The republican party must be destroyed.

[-] imPastaSyndrome@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ah rhymes with fake is a real piece of shit

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