Trump is a felon, so I am not sure "lawful" is the best fit.
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The lawful/chaotic axis represents a person's willingness to follow an external set of rules against their own instincts or opinions. Having a pocket judge or a pocket president to legitimize one's actions does not make that person lawful.
Trump isn't a felon... He's a multi-felon.
Also ~~a convicted rapist~~ found responsible in a civil rape trial.
Pedants.
People who multi class are the worst.
true. that's why i play pathfinder
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Because calling him a proven-in-court-but-technically-not-convicted-because-it-was-a-civil-trial rapist takes too long.
In the interest of accuracy, none of Trump's 34 convictions were for rape.
He was found to be a rapist as a statement of fact in a civil lawsuit, but that's not a conviction.
So while he is a convicted felon 34 times over, and a rapist, he's not a convicted rapist.
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Musk is definitely not lawful either. Must is pure chaotic evil
He's definitely chaotic evil.
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Lawful? Really?
Yeah, there is a convicted felon and an illegal immigrant right there.
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Fun fact none of them are lawful
They paid congress a lot of money to say that they actually are lawfull
In the d&d alignment chart they are because capitalists have no inherent power outside of the laws that enforce their property. Devils in D&D will always break the rules(and rebel) if they think they can get away with it.
Huh? Devils are the corporate "trap you in fineprint and kill you with subclauses" type of evil. They are the ones who sell you the monkey's paw and come to collect your soul no matter how it shakes out. Catching them in airtight clauses (or narrow loopholes) is famously how you screw over devils.
Trump is more Chaotic Evil
Facts. D&D defines the chaotic/lawful divide as whether or not the character abides by a code, ethos, or set of rules. So not "Law" in the "Legal Eagle Law Team" kind of way. Chaotic Evil characters don't really play by any rules, are unpredictable, and are just plain the worst.
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It's why he's not a billionaire. Zing!
lawful
As in can dictate law
As in “full of law”
Like, just jam-packed stuffed to the gills with law, to the point where they vomit law out into the world and we all boil to death slowly in their law-infused stomach acid
This only counts because they use their money to make their lives "lawful" through legislation and capture of the courts, minimizing their very real crimes against humanity.
Okay perhaps Buffett, Gates, and Cook haven't gone as far as actual crimes against humanity but the rest have, and Buffett, Gates, and Cook are still unlawful but used their money to twist the laws in their favor.
By definition you can not get this rich without stealing the value of peoples labour - at scale.
Aka evil as shit.
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unless by lawful you mean they manipulate the law however they please with their money and connections, then no.
You miss the point of the law
um, yeah. that's literally the difference.
lawful evil is "evil in a suit and tie" while chaotic evil is "monstrous, uncivilized evil."
That's the entire schtick of lawful evil. Manipulation, extortion, background deals, and all that.
Nah, don't forget that DJT is a convicted felon.
i feel like it should be more chaotic evil
Remember there's the neutral axis
Some are chaotic neutral. They're not out to wreck stuff, they just don't care if they do
Some off them i see more as unfawfull ( when noboddy is looking ) evil
Bill does some genuinely good stuff. I'm sure he does some bad stuff too though.
there's a book about that, "no such thing as a free gift: the gates foundation and the price of philanthropy"
It's actually pretty interesting some of the effects his philanthropic efforts have had.
I think the bottom line is that billionaires shouldn't exist, all said and done.
Now he's got his he is. In the 80-00 he was as nasty a fucker as all the rest are now.
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Dude was actually best friends with Jeffery Epstein. Like he wanted to hang out with him casually in New York.
I see you wisely chose to leave Taylor Swift off of your chart.
No one wants the Swifties on their asses. :D
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Funny to live in times when Villains are in power. Probably in 2060s they will compare them with Hitler.
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