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”Give him a follow, he’s going to go far.”
Four years ago, you say?
Okay it wasn’t his campaign, he and I were both working on a campaign for someone else. Still, absolutely bizarre feeling that I’ve sat and had a real, normal human conversation with the guy who’s likely to be the next mayor of NYC.
People do not understand just how much he has ALWAYS been about this. He really is that guy and he deeply cares
Ok I’ll be the dumbass to ask….how much is he hiding his power levels?
He’s hiding them. His mayoral campaign specifically was not possible without real materialist analysis. We are living in an affordability crisis. You win by offering actual improving material conditions to the working class. We had a long chat about this
The takeaway for American Hexbear might be that in order to do something meaningful you might need to get on stage and firmly declare that "I am your DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST candidate for [x]" like Zohran did. It's the proper materialist analystis ("socialism with burger characteristics" lol)
It's cracking me up to think about our users trying to do it but kinda throwing up in their mouths a little when they say the line. Or doing :lenin-shining: on the debate stage, and holding a "UNLIMITED GENOCIDE ON THE FIRST WORLD" deep in their chest while some ghoul is yapping at them. The tells would be so obvious to us watching haha, luckily it seems like Zohran is a true professional about it and maybe not as online-poisoned?
Bro I've already seen at least one comment somewhere hear calling us Dengist revisionists, if SWBC becomes a thing the infighting online will be hilarious
SSB?
Edited. it I'm tired and butchered my keyboard, meant Socialism with Burger Characteristics (SWBC) have no idea how I typed SBB
Haha ok that's what I thought
And honestly Zohran is just about exactly what I expect socialism to look like in the imperial core at its best. The true revolution will happen in the periphery (eyes on West Africa at the moment), but if westerners can do a genuine Democratic Socialism, they can assist comrades at the periphery by directing resources inward instead of toward the military and such, and even where unsuccessful at that, they create internal strife which also inhibits the empire's ability to operate in opposition to the more substantial revolutions.
The US will probably be the last place to actually get Workers' control over the means of production, dragged to heel by the rest of the world who moved on a decade or two before.
Hope I'm wrong though! Looking forward to the struggle sessions as Zohran does stuff and other US cities oust their democratic establishment!
Yeah, I'm not expecting this to lead to much personally and I definitely feel the turn off for Israel right to exist maneuvering, but I also feel like things have been oddly aggressive in comparison to the grace China is given for similar waffling about with words as realpolitik instead of moral compromise. Suddenly swathes of people are finding themselves Maoists that I either didn't see before somehow or decided this was a step too far.
Lol I was just posting about that in my last comment.
Politics is dirty as fuck, we can't moralize EVERYTHING if we want to win. Get power, not by any means possible, but with some compromise, and then future generations will be able to reset the slate and improve on what we build for them. We are not "the good guys" there are no "good guys". Fuck it, back to being an ancom "all states are exploitative, and must be abolished" if we are going to play that game. Then I don't have to analyze anything and I can be mad that states exist every day.
It's boring that a few of us can't take the W, but also I suppose that if they aren't US American, then it's totally fair for them to let it rip.
US American, then it's totally fair for them to let it rip.
Ain't no hexbear rallying cry like death to Amerikkka
Ya I mean I agree that it sucks that Zohran is necessarily required to soften/compromise his anti-Zionism to gain electoral success, DTA indeed
Hard to say, but I do think he’s hiding them a bit.
I've been punched in the face by reality so many times recently that my take on Zohran becoming mayor of NYC is still "I'll believe it when I see it." Capital is not gonna give up without a fight and they've been fighting extremely dirty. Remember when Melenchon's left coalition won an election in France like 2 years ago and the centrists just said "No"?
That being said, even if they somehow ratfuck him and he doesn't become mayor, just winning this election is itself monumental and a huge achievement. It's undeniable proof that people want these kinds of politicians and that money isn't enough to win a campaign. Definitely something to be proud of.
All the money and the most vile racist smears couldn't come close to stopping him.
I know its just one election (and I ain't a demsoc) but I hope I'll be forgiven if my revolutionary optimism is at a high.
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Promises were made! 
Hopefully he doesn't go AOC on us.
AOC as a mayor would have a far different set of powers and goals, and would be leagues better than what we’ve had in decades. Hard to compare the position she is in to that of mayor, and I think the majority of us here would like her a lot more if she had been a mayor this whole time.
That being said, Zohran will be a better mayor than she could be imo
And as the head of the executive branch in New York, Mamdani has more power in the municipal government than AOC in the federal government. Even if her head was once in the right place, she was doomed to get drowned out by the bloodthirsty establishment Dems. Mamdani has more ability to implement what he wants.
I agree. AOC would have been better off and more effective staying in local politics but she also wouldn’t have had the national fame she’s currently enjoying.
It’ll be better when she’s a senator or governor, I think
Yeah, but I still get major socdem vibes from her. I don't see much in terms of true anti-capitalist, pro-socialist messaging.
Let her be the right wing of the government, is annoying that all the discourse centers on one person cause you pretty much have nobody else.
I don't think it matters how bad of a leftist AOC is when she's almost entirely alone in congress.
That's one hell of a called shot.
Please stay at the lathe
nice work, congrats on the promotion to Cooler
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Zohran for president
He just needs obama to hook him up with his birth certificate guy
Fuck is he not a natural citizen? I didn't know. Fuck amerikkka
He was born in Uganda to Indian parents. He moved to NYC when he was 7 and became a citizen in 2018.
Is Trump gonna deport him?
I mean...only time will tell
Dont worry, after some years in exile he will return to lead the People's Liberation Army of NYC
Bit idea: The Constitution doesn't define what "natural born" means. We should claim it means a natural birth as opposed to a C-section and cite Macbeth's "no man of woman born" thing
Que You're Gonna Go Far Kid by The Offspring
how do we get him a detachment of red volunteers
wait it's you isn't it. you're volunteers.
The answer to your question, which I’ll get more into when I do a retrospective, is knowing we had NYC DSA in our proximity and would have enthusiastic people ready to do a lot of legwork for the campaign. It was a huge part of the calculus.
As for making them red volunteers, I bet quite a few would
yessss... now get red berets and steal that fit from the guardian angels
In 2018 pre-election I was probably the biggest AOC shill lol
That’s called growth, comrade.
I’ll still shill for AOC on occasion. She has a purpose in our movement whether we like it all of the time or not
FYI, Thiruvananthapuram is in India. I don't know why neither cared to mention that.
It does say Kerala though
We’re communists etc. who have occasional little struggle sessions over Keralan politics. So, we largely know where Kerala is.
