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It's the "Hit Rock Bottom and Turn Your Life Around" narrative. But it's BS - there is no rock bottom. Things can always get worse. There is no miraculous cure. You need to make change happen.
this post was submitted on 30 Jun 2025
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Meanwhile, the actual results of ceding the government to fascists is... increasingly right-wing leanings in the general population
Waoh but no, if we can just SHOW those damn SHITLIBS that they'll never win, the inner socialist heart of The People will perk up and we'll lead the masses singing the Internationale straight to DC. That's how Popular Support works!
Fuck all that loser groundwork shit, that's boring and doesn't make us feel very revolutionary, while STICKING IT to THE MAN makes us feel fantastic as millions of disadvantaged folk are marked for death.
Voting may not fix the country, but not voting can sure as fuck make it worse.
Democracy only works in combination with education. We are currently missing the latter so the best things you can do in the long run is educate everything else will only change things temporarily but makes them worse over time.
What is groundwork? I haven't heard this term before. Is it things like protesting and voting? Propagnda? Having conversations with everyday people? Or are those something else?
Getting ready, essentially; 'groundwork' as in 'preparing the ground for a building'. Propaganda, conversations, organization, convincing people, the basic, preliminary steps to action.
When do you think the Democrats plan to start on the groundwork?
I'm pretty sure it's fucking up to us.
Joined a union yet?
I'm a freelance contractor, man.
Freelancers' Unions are a thing too.
By actively sabotage it at every opportunity, we se it in New York right now. These people have just given up, believing themself clever for accepting a slightly slower decline and resent everyone else.
I'm convinced nothing short of violence will change anything in a meaningful way in the states.
Just look at the French, their government is terrified of it's people.
I’m convinced nothing short of violence will change anything in a meaningful way in the states.
That may be so, but if so, it's probably best not to strengthen the repressive reactionary entity you're planning on squaring up against.
And you should most definitely not discuss any real plans of action on open, public forums like Lemmy. Find a private, closed, and encrypted service that can be trusted and use that.
Better yet, log the fuck off. Don't have sensitive conversations online. The internet isn't going to save us we have to organize locally.
This is why I had to laugh so hard about the groups that wanted to organize via reddit. WTF?
I'm not in the states, so this is purely hypothetical on my behalf.
Definitely a good point.
Who, precisely, are you accusing of this and how do you think they are strengthrning the regime?
Who, precisely, are you accusing of this
Ghouls who constantly advocated things like "Voting doesn't matter, both sides are the same!" and we're now reaping the 'rewards' of.
and how do you think they are strengthrning the regime?
By literally putting it into fucking power, and then sneering at all action against it for being insufficiently 'revolutionary'.
Are there any peole actually advocating to do nothing? How many accelerationists do you really think there are?
There's been a lot of positivity about Zohran Mamdani lately. A socialist winning even just a primary in the largest city in America is a big threat. So there's currently a big push to tamp down on that and portray the movement as politically unviable and a handout to the far-right.
How long have you been on this site? Nearly every day there's someone putting forward the "Aktually, Trump winning is GOOD because now The Left Will Truly Rise As Was Foretold"
Long enough to know that's bullshit. You sure you aren't just browsing a specific instance? I browse the all variant cause I want to see what people are thinking broadly without getting in too much of an echochamber, and I don't think I've seen even one.
There are people in this very comm, nearly every day, putting forward that idea.
Like, if I go and grab some recent quotes, will I be wasting my time, evoking a "Yes but those are just SOME people, I would actually require (Number of quotes provided+1) to believe you", or have you just genuinely not noticed them?
No. There isn't. This is just an incredibly flimsy strawman argument that fails to conceptualize that there are alternatives to voting when it comes to exerting one's political will.
I've genuinely met people who say that voting does nothing yet take zero other actions to better their situation.
Holy Strawman Batman!
Would you like me to quote some folks on this very site?
You can quote me if you want, I can guarantee you'll somehow manage to misread "Democrats lots because they didn't hold a primary and ran a bad candidate rather than admit that the former candidate was sundowning" as somehow being my fault. XD
What if i told you that there are litteral dozens of completely electoraly irrelevant shitposters on the fringes of the internet that serve has a full time obsetion and scape goats to dissmiss that fact? What would you say then?
"Sounds like someone has a pretty small filter bubble if they've only seen dozens.", probably.
And you would be absolutely correct.