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[–] AnarchoAnarchist@hexbear.net 66 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

"this is bad for your movement"

Man who hates you and your movement

I am tired of centering the most hysterical voices in the imperial core while children are being crushed to death at food distribution sites. Why are the feelings of rich white New Yorkers put above the lives of poor brown people?

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago

us-foreign-policy but for how much money you have

[–] miz@hexbear.net 58 points 4 days ago (1 children)

THEY'RE STARVING AND TORTURING PEOPLE. KIDS! FUCK YOU GLOBALIZE THE SHIT OUT OF FIGHTING THAT

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 39 points 4 days ago

reporter was very sad when he visited isntreal during intifada one time, you see powercry-2

[–] Rojo27@hexbear.net 59 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

-Wins primary in spite of the establishment's effort to paint him as an antisemitic Muslim extremist.

-Still feels the need to backtrack and worry about optics.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago

#alllivesmatter

[–] fox@hexbear.net 50 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Ooooo scary words! Globalize? Intifada? That sounds Arabic, probably means "do a 9/11" or something. Not going to look it up, I'm confident in my interpretation and I'm a voter.

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 35 points 4 days ago

I mean, it sounds close to the word infant, so I think it means to kill all Jewish infants

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago

“Infinite 9/11s on the Great Satan”

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 47 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And then all the accusations of antisemitism stopped, right? 🙃

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 46 points 4 days ago

And the Zionists are still calling for his head!

Never capitulate!

Give them an inch and they'll think they're a ruler!

[–] LaBellaLotta@hexbear.net 39 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The Democratic Party must be destroyed root and stem. I will bang this drum for the rest of my fucking life.

We have to recognize that the call is coming from inside the house. They could have throttled the RNC into submission after bush 2. The Republicans weren’t that much less radical then! They deliberately chose not to because they would rather be the lesser evil than do any good with the privileged position they occupy. At a certain point negligence becomes indistinguishable from culpability, especially when your whole thing is you are the only game in town.

I don’t think Zohran really made any major tactical mistakes up to this point. It remains to be seen what the fallout from this will be. The reality is that in NYC you can’t even get close to any position of power without being a Democrat. There are aberrations to this but the historically privileged position of the Democrats in NY specifically makes participation in the party pretty unavoidable in that region. They were and are a necessary vehicle for him in this mayoral race.

But with all that said: does anyone see this shit happening with a party that actually has his back? A party that actually operates like a disciplined party with political goals and values? not just a coterie of consultants and opportunists. The way the Dems have handled arguably the greatest political talent to join their ranks in over a decade should tell you everything you need to know. The average Democratic politician would rather see him dead than actually have any meaningful effect on the status quo.

I truly believe he needs to take whatever political capital and good will he has and invest it into another party ASAP. Whether it’s something new or the PSL or whatever, anything less will be a slow and suffocating death filled with illusory near-victories and nothing ever truly happening.

I don’t think the backlash from the rest of the party could get any worse anyway. They already see him as disloyal and some kind of outside force trying to upset this revolting political consensus they have worked so hard to construct. He cannot afford to keep all his eggs in one basket.

I’m just some fucking random person on the Internet but I think a lot of us have staked an uncomfortable amount of hope on this guy. I’m just hoping and praying he doesn’t go down easy and he recognizes the totality of who his adversaries are before it’s too late. He cannot afford to give these people one inch and it looks like he’s starting too and that makes me very nervous. Hoping for the best but unfortunately expecting the worst.

[–] glimmer_twin@hexbear.net 15 points 4 days ago

Anyone with half a brain cell should’ve seen the writing on the wall after the Obama supermajority. Imagine having that kind of mandate and doing nothing lol.

[–] Red_sun_in_the_sky@hexbear.net 41 points 4 days ago

I mean originally it did seem like he was doing like a very diplomatic timid response to israel's right to exist or whatever. But yeah I guess he thinks capitulation makes inroads. Well look how that worked for people like corbyn.

I don't wanna dog on people feeling high about the guy's win or whatever. But you know what's the point of taking any stance if you immediately tow the libbicrat demon line.

Bar is real low for burgerland.

[–] john_brown@hexbear.net 38 points 4 days ago

dang, who could have predicted the democratic party would pull out all the stops to pressure a progressive making headway in their party?

[–] jack@hexbear.net 38 points 4 days ago
[–] Rom@hexbear.net 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I said the same thing yesterday: The people calling him antisemitic don't give a shit, no matter how much you explain to them that criticism of Israel is not antisemitic they're going to keep calling it that anyway. Never, ever capitulate to these fuckers.

Now they’ll stop calling him a jihadist!

[–] blunder@hexbear.net 30 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This man is running for a municipal position with no foreign policy involvement whatsoever btw

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago

de facto, un is in new york, so if he purged the police and installed young cadres of dsa ic, he could arrest bibi and half of wall street for drug trafficking shrug-outta-hecks

alas, he likely would be de blasio 2.0

[–] T34_69@hexbear.net 17 points 4 days ago

Itamar Ben Gvir recently visited NYC and was allowed to walk the streets untouched, with his own security detail augmented by the NYPD

[–] sewer_rat_420@hexbear.net 29 points 4 days ago

Palestinians were disproportionately killed and maimed during both intifadas, which were almost entirely peaceful mass movements.

[–] Parzivus@hexbear.net 24 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Online leftists when the American politician won't say "death to Israel" on live TV: walter-shock

[–] Rom@hexbear.net 35 points 4 days ago

That's not what "globalize the intifada" means though

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

how hard is it to ask reporter to condemn genocide and apartheid? either he won't and the nuance (tm) is pointless or he will, and then you can talk

(i mean, all this says to me that probability of him fighting nypd/real estate have gone from 20 to 10% or whatever)

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

how hard is it to ask reporter to condemn genocide and apartheid?

I mean he’s already done it, several times, in front of cameras while this is for all intents and purposes a report of a report to a lib journalist

That’s not to say I am hopeful about him or anything

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)
  • ...a lot of people are traumatized by that word [intifada]?
  • for a lot of jewish people, they think of bus bombings...

where did he ask reporter to clarify his stance?

[–] OnceUponATimeInWeHo@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago

What does globalize the intifada mean and how does backing down to Zionist feelings help American leftism?

[–] imogen_underscore@hexbear.net 4 points 3 days ago

come on, it's just one incident but clearly the same self-defeating conciliatory attitude is on display here that got people like Corbyn destroyed. like who is this for?

Right yeah sure that's whats up. Not the very cowardly affirmation that a calling invokes some terror for unrelated burgerland morons. "Online left" my ass. That is a real political person who banked on his supporters and went along with causes until its seemingly inconvenient. Lot of real people are feeling the brunt of terror laid by the american state.

People who did campus protests like khalil are being hounded and their lives are in disarray. But yeah I'm sure soothing dumbass zionists in new york is way more important than a principled stand.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 27 points 4 days ago

Damn, just as I was starting to think he was cool. Don't capitulate or get caught in their identity politics, educate and explain.

[–] Chana@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago

Electoralists always triangulate. They are, fundamentally, cowards that have convinced themselves that cowardice is actually a sophisticated straragem.

[–] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

liz-punk Always double down.

brace-watching Triple down!

[–] axont@hexbear.net 19 points 4 days ago

I know he's a massive lib and this doxxes me, but Al Green is my representative and sometimes I do feel a lil good about him. He's pretty consistently anti-israel.

[–] LaBellaLotta@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago

Zohran baby nooooooo!

[–] gueybana@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

That was quick by Mamdani.

Also, I hear Tucker and MTG speak and I have no doubt all the ‘leftists’ will vote for him and lambast the rest of us for ‘not being anti-genocide’ and not signing our own death warrants.

I will never hand it to these people, and if you ever try to get me to do it I will shit in your mouth

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Also, I hear Tucker and MTG speak and I have no doubt all the ‘leftists’ will vote for him and lambast the rest of us for ‘not being anti-genocide’ and not signing our own death warrants.

???

[–] gueybana@hexbear.net 7 points 4 days ago

In a recent speech to strasserite failsons, he called Mamdani a fake leftist rich liberal while going on about real material problems young people are dealing, burying the lede that it’s actually the fault of 60 million illegal Americans, which he mentions later on in his hitler rally.

[–] newacctidk@hexbear.net 5 points 4 days ago

Some men, faint-hearted, ever seek

Our programme to retouch,

And will insist, whene’er they speak

That we demand too much.

’Tis passing strange, yet I declare

Such statements give me mirth,

For our demands most moderate are,

We only want the earth.

“Be moderate,” the trimmers cry,

Who dread the tyrants’ thunder.

“ You ask too much and people fly

From you aghast in wonder.”

’Tis passing strange, for I declare

Such statements give me mirth,

For our demands most moderate are,

We only want the earth.

Our masters all a godly crew,

Whose hearts throb for the poor,

Their sympathies assure us, too,

If our demands were fewer.

Most generous souls! But please observe,

What they enjoy from birth

Is all we ever had the nerve

To ask, that is, the earth.

The “labour fakir” full of guile,

Base doctrine ever preaches,

And whilst he bleeds the rank and file

Tame moderation teaches.

Yet, in despite, we’ll see the day

When, with sword in its girth,

Labour shall march in war array

To realize its own, the earth.

For labour long, with sighs and tears,

To its oppressors knelt.

But never yet, to aught save fears,

Did the heart of tyrant melt.

We need not kneel, our cause is high

Of true men there's no dearth

And our victorious rallying cry

Shall be we want the earth!