The neolibs are too far right. The tankies are doing whatever that is. Where's the space for the people who want fully-automated-luxury-gay-space-communism, but realize that it's gonna take a while and there are lots of steps between now and then? Here. This is that space.
Here, people should endeavor to discuss and devise practical, actionable leftist action. Vote lesser evil while you build grassroots coalitions. Unionize your workplace. Participate in SRAs. Build cohesion your local community. Educate the proletariat.
This is a place for practical people to develop practical plans to implement stable, incremental improvement.
If you're dead-set on drumming up all 18,453 True Leftists® into spontaneous Revolution, go somewhere else. The grown ups are talking.
Rules:
-1. Don't be a dick. Racism, sexism, other assorted bigotries, you know the drill. At least try to default to mutually respectful discussion. We're all on the same side here, unless you aren't, in which case kindly leave.
-2. Don't be a tankie. Yes I'm sure you have an extensive knowledge of century-old theory. There's been a century of history since then. Things didn't shake out as expected, maybe consider the possibility that a different angle of attack might be more effective in light of new data.
-3. Be practical. No one on the left benefits from counterproductive actions. This is a space informed by, not enslaved to, ideology. Promoting actions that are fundamentally untenable in the system in question, because they fulfill a sense of ideological purity, is a bad look. Don't do that.
I love that my existence has to be 'earned' according to these people. If Blue Circus isn't entertaining enough to 'earn' their vote, me and everyone else endangered by a fascist administration can go fuck ourselves.
Some of us may die, but that's a sacrifice the Purity Brigade is willing to make.
And what happens when team blue decides your minority group is an acceptable sacrifice, as they're currently doing for trans people? They already threw the Palestinian Americans on the pyre, and they're going for trans folks next.
The problem with looking the other way when some other group is thrown under the bus is that inevitably your ticket will be called. In 2028, it's going to be trans folks and their allies that are being bullied into supporting a conservative democrat like Newsom, even though he would take the Democrats the same direction as British Labor.
I just can't understand this hubris and arrogance. You actually expect people to vote for their own annihilation.
And what happens when team blue decides your minority group is an acceptable sacrifice, as they’re currently doing for trans people?
The vast majority of Dem politicians remain in support of trans issues.
They already threw the Palestinian Americans on the pyre, and they’re going for trans folks next.
The Dems have supported Palestinian genocide for at least the past forty fucking years. In that time, Dems have improved markedly on trans issues.
It's not as simple as you want it to be, but since simplicity would absolve you of your actual, real complicity in both the genocide of Palestinians and the additional crimes and genocides of the Trump administration, you crave simplicity.
The problem with looking the other way when some other group is thrown under the bus is that inevitably your ticket will be called.
You're absolutely right, this is why the civil rights movement should have refused all participation in American politics until LGBT rights were established as well.
By your logic, the Dems should have been throwing an ever-greater number of minorities under the bus since... what, the entire 20th century? Yet demonstrably, they have become more minority-positive, not less. I guess facts don't matter when you have fascists to carry water for, though, huh?
I just can’t understand this hubris and arrogance. You actually expect people to vote for their own annihilation.
"Please vote for less annihilation."
"Actually, I'd prefer more."
Sorry for finding self-destructive behavior that damages others as well both repugnant and strategically idiotic?
But sure, tell me how the Harris admin would have been more-destructive or even simply as-destructive towards Arab and Muslim-American communities than the fucking Trump admin, I'm dying to hear about how opting for the fascist was the real act of self-preservation.
Good ol’ accelerationism.
It's not my vote they have to earn, it's the millions of people who are suffering under the current economic conditions. Telling them the maeket is better than ever while they can't make ends meet isn't going to swing any voters. Democrats need to either literally militarize against Trump or start offering tangible things to people that will help them. People know that Trump is bad, they just hope that he manages to change their situation somehow. But the Democrats dont care about working people (neither do the Republicans) and only want to help their boss/landlord.
You shouldn't have to vote for evil just because the other side is more evil. Dont get me wrong... I did and will again but I shouldn't have to and I wont fault anyone for not. I have enough people to hate already.
"Shouldn't have to" in a just world, but we don't live in a just world. Imagine advocating, for example, for the USSR to be abandoned to the Nazis, because the USSR was also a bunch of genocidal imperialist scumbags.
Choosing the lesser evil is not morally optional if your choices are reduced to only evils.
I don't have the 'luxury' of feeling neutrally about people who've very quite possibly fucking killed me in the next few years.
We shouldn't enable fascism by any means, especially in the information era. But, if fascism is already there, we should organize resistance and defend the people that suffer from it, by that building trust that builds our political capital, so to speak. But not enable it, as it fights more against us than against capitalism.
Godspeed. At this point, I'm trying to maintain my current routine of political activity so as to not to collapse into total despair and passivity. That path leads to death.
God bless single issue voters.
Stepping back to an objective human suffering standpoint, the Trump admin is dismantling environmental protections that would soften the coming climate-collapse holocaust. We've whiplashed back 80+ years and lost decades of institutional knowledge; even physical infrastructure in NASA's case.
This is an issue that objectively has only progressed through D efforts and been defended even through R administrations. Millions of people will needlessly die, particularly those oppressed in the global south, from the actions of this admin. But Genocide Joe was an unpalatable humanitarian choice?
There's no rationality to their stance, they just base their politics on visceral emotional reactions. It's the exact same blind moral purity as pro-birthers and they deserve the same derision.
Ah yes the genocide in gaza is an "issue". A slight inconvenience really
Voting for a genocider was the right choice. War is peace. What is gaslighting? Don't ask me I'm a dumbocrat
"Neither was good, so I refuse to participate and willfully allow the worst to happen. Now I get to feel morally superior to those who took action against the worst because the alternative was flawed." Fuck all the way off you absolute asshat. What was and is happening in Gaza is a fucking atrocity. And your lack of vote not only didn't fix a goddamned thing, if anything, it only made it worse and also allowed a myriad of other atrocities happening now and more soon to come. You are a joke and a moron.
Right on cue. And yes it's a political issue, it pretty snugly fits the common definition.
Political issues refer to matters that are of public concern and involve conflicting viewpoints within a society, often requiring governmental action or public policy to address them
Trying to pretend it's something sacrosanct and beyond politics is what makes a single issue voter.
Ah yes the ~~genocide in gaza~~ legal murder of babies is an "issue". A slight inconvenience really
That's you.
If you actually cared about the lives of people in the middle east you should be just as outraged over Trump unilaterally bombing a sovereign state, direct military action that wouldn't have happened with the Democratic candidates.
Or, as I pointed out, the deliberate climate destruction that will literally boil more people alive with wet bulb events.
Most rational accelerationist
Disgusting. They sacrifice innocents and not for a sure thing either.
'Liberals always choose fascism!'
*Divides Poland*
*This*