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[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 105 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (7 children)

While I think the shirt is funny and should be worn proudly, I can see how someone might be offended for non-racist reasons. Some people might simply find the depiction of death to be offensive.

That said, it's entirely possible the offended person was a raging racist.

Edit:

This edit is for those of you who are saying that people shouldn't be offended by violence since it's on TV. I think you're missing the fact that the point entirely.

The fact that a depiction of violence is making a valid point doesn't make it less offensive. In fact, that would detract from the message. Sometimes it is important to make a statement using depictions of violence to get a point across because the violence is offensive.

That said, I think it is perfectly reasonable for someone to find this shirt objectionable for non-racist reasons. For example, many people prefer not to expose their kids to depictions of violence. I think it's this person's right to wear the shirt to make their point but the consequence of wearing it is that some people may say that they find it offensive for both non-racist and racist reasons.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 5 months ago

I think that walking on eggshells to avoid people's delicate sensibilities took us down a dark path that is hard to walk back.

Certainly, we should be sensitive to some things. And though I'm making up the following out of thin air... If I were told I offended a Furry for using the phrase "dirty rat," I would not be surprised.

[–] TheJesusaurus@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm gonna go ahead assume they were a racist and admit it's entirely possible they're offended by the depiction of death/crime/vigilantism generally

[–] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Some people might simply find the depiction of death to be offensive.

Gee I wonder what those people do with their day since they can't watch TV.

[–] mere@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 months ago

it's different when you're expecting it though. A random tee in the middle of the street is about as unexpected as you can get.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 12 points 5 months ago

Anyone who doesn't feel some level of Schadenfreude at that image, is with the MAGAs, at least subconsciously.

Even if the depiction of death bothers you, the proper response is "I don't like it, but I get it."

[–] warm@kbin.earth 4 points 5 months ago

Entirely probable

[–] Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Thats bold statement to make about the president of Richmond NAACP:

"When you look at something like that, whether you consider it art or not art, lynching is not something that we're in agreement with at all. We do not support any groups that support violence."

I mean, you said "funny". Which goes directly to the point hes making, in so much that it has normalized or trivialized a horrific form of racial violence

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[–] Gearheart@lemmy.world 74 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (51 children)

To everyone here that feels Nazis deserve free speech and sympathy.

They do not.

Handling Nazi with kid gloves is how we got here.

Handling Nazis with im kid gloves is how the Holocaust happened.

History is literally repeating itself and anyone sympathetic with Nazis is complicit.

Edit: Most of us know someone who's grandparents died fighting Nazis. Ignoring and empathizing with Nazi's is spitting on their graves.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I don't know bout y'all but the ONLY gloves you should use when handling Nazis is the kind with spikes protruding from the business end.

[–] jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

OK but first make sure they're an actual Nazi and not one of that "someone who disagrees with me" kind of almost certainly not a Nazi.

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

For sure.

I've read my Asmiov. "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent."

But we're complex emotional beings and sometimes our amygdala lurches up from the warm fetid swamp it usually lazes around in and utters things we act on before slower, more complex neurological bureaucracy can veto. Actual nazis will do that to the most disciplined of us.

[–] FordBeeblebrox@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the thick yellow rubber ones if you need to mop up after a body

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Gross yellow gloves are for household cleaning. Blue gloves are for disposing of bodies, it's like the colour coded chopping blocks in kitchens

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[–] deaf_fish@midwest.social 31 points 5 months ago (4 children)

This brakes my brain for some reason. If a KKK member was lynched, I wouldn't feel a thing, but if someone was walking around in an office I or school with this shirt, I would feel weird about it. I can't put my finger on why.

[–] Blum0108@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago

We all agree that punching fascists in the face is objectively good, but if someone was walking through a school or church yelling that we should punch fascists then you would probably feel uncomfortable.

It's an aggressive t-shirt, even though it portrays a morally appropriate sentiment. I agree with the message, and personally don't think it's inappropriate, but I would not be confused why some people might not want to see it, and probably wouldn't wear it to my kid's preschool.

[–] luciferofastora@feddit.org 19 points 5 months ago

I think to healthy, liberal (in the original sense) sensibilities, the concept of lynching or imagery of violent death is still principally unpalatable. Fundamentally, violence should be considered undesirable.

Pragmatically, we may consider it acceptable or even necessary in some cases. In those cases, conscious judgement will overrule that fundamental conviction.

But that doesn't mean the gut reaction can't be one of distaste. Both sentiments can exist at once, and the weight each of them carries in your mind doesn't have to be absolute.

For me personally, every death – no matter how justified – evokes at least a faint sense of regret: "Shame they couldn't become a better person." It may be very faint in some cases, but I aim to preserve that ideal in myself: never to treat life without respect, never to treat deaths without compassion.

[–] tophneal@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Because hopefully children aren’t being exposed to that hate filled reality otherwise? A blissful ignorance, if you will. I feel like I understand what you’re saying, but this the best I could come up with for the “why. “

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 6 points 5 months ago (15 children)

Maybe because extra-judicial "punishment" is unAmerican, no matter who it is.

IF we regain our country, I would get no pleasure from dragging Trump and his henchmen into the front lawn of the White House, and summarily, publicly executed.

OTOH, if they went through proper trials, were found guilty of actual crimes that exist on the books, and were sentenced to death, I would support that 100%, and would be proud of my country for proving that the system set up by our Founding Fathers can still work.

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[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

People have a sense of tiny comfort. One of which is not to have to think about death even for the deserving. They will, at the same as being offended by this, will support the death penalty, feel justified in invading random nations, and help defund social services. But that's never felt as confronting death. That's all in making sure their small comforts stay stable.

[–] iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

"To whom?" That's the only offensive thing I see in this post.

[–] dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

FWIW, I support the message on display here. Intolerance for intolerance, karma, and all that.

Things at the workplace get prickly, and not always for the right reasons.

In the case of depictions of violence, it's deeper than the actions of the individual. Looking the other way only pulls management in, making them complicit. This opens the company up to a lawsuit, under some bullshit argument along the lines of "promoting a violent workplace" or some crap like that. Doesn't matter if it can be argued down in court, a lot of places would probably settle just to keep it out of the news.

Also, lets say none of that comes to pass. It also opens the door for right-wingers to go their way with this stuff. I'm talking way more hardcore than Punisher skulls.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 5 months ago

You're right about the promotion of a violent workplace. As for the rest...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_from_Birmingham_Jail

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The moderate whites are upset

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (11 children)

The moderate whites are upset

This white guy wants to buy that shirt and wear it proudly to protests.

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[–] phoenixarise@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Who is he in trouble with? Racist Glenda, looking for something to do?

[–] Geodad@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

I need that shirt.

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