Basing your opinions on socialism on how Russia implemented it makes about as much sense as basing an opinion on Democracy on how Putin has implemented it.

This is more accurate: Online discussion about capitalism

People living in a third world capitalist country

14-year-old white boy living in a Western country: I know more than you

14 year old white girl

Bravo they managed to also cram ageism and misogyny in the old "champagne socialism" meme. All in the single sentence.

Considering that the USSR only claimed to be socialist and used propaganda (in accord with the US) to convince the people that state control is the same as worker's control over the means of production (it isn't), the girl is probably correct.

2 things:

1. The victors write history

2. After Lenin the USSR was not really communist anymore but more really a totalitarian state that didn't believe in the values of communism. Just like China.

Everything would probably have been better if Lenin didn't die so fast and then Trotsky would have ruled.

What people who lived in the Soviet union and other socialist states have to say:

• A remarkable 72% of Hungarians say that most people in their country are actually worse off today economically than they were under communism. Only 8% say most people in Hungary are better off, and 16% say things are about the same. In no other Central or Eastern European country surveyed did so many believe that economic life is worse now than during the communist era. This is the result of almost universal displeasure with the economy. Fully 94% describe the country's economy as bad, the highest level of economic discontent in the hard hit region of Central and Eastern Europe. Just 46% of Hungarians approve of their country's switch from a state-controlled economy to a market economy; 42% disapprove of the move away from communism. The public is even more negative toward Hungary's integration into Europe; 71% say their country has been weakened by the process.

• The most incredible result was registered in a July 2010 IRES (Romanian Institute for Evaluation and Strategy) poll, according to which 41% of the respondents would have voted for Ceausescu, had he run for the position of president. And 63% of the survey participants said their life was better during communism, while only 23% attested that their life was worse then. Some 68% declared that communism was a good idea, just one that had been poorly applied.

• Glorification of the German Democratic Republic is on the rise two decades after the Berlin Wall fell. Young people and the better off are among those rebuffing criticism of East Germany as an "illegitimate state." In a new poll, more than half of former eastern Germans defend the GDR.

• A poll shows that as many as 81 per cent of Serbians believe they lived best in the former Yugoslavia -"during the time of socialism". The survey focused on the respondents' views on the transition "from socialism to capitalism", and a clear majority said they trusted social institutions the most during the rule of Yugoslav communist president Josip Broz Tito. The standard of living during Tito's rule from the Second World War to the 1980s was also assessed as best, whereas the Milosevic decade of the 1990s, and the subsequent decade since the fall of his regime are seen as "more or less the same". 45 percent said they trusted social institutions most under communism with 23 percent choosing the 2001-2003 period when Zoran Djinđic was prime minister. Only 19 per cent selected present-day institutions.

• 75% of Russians have expressed increasingly positive opinions about the Soviet Union over the years. Only a small portion of those surveyed said they had negative associations with the Soviet Union. The economic deficit, long lines and coupons were named by 4% of respondents each, while the Iron Curtain, economic stagnation and political repressions were named by 1% each, the Levada Center said.

• Adult mortality increased enormously in Russia and other countries of the former Soviet Union when the Soviet system collapsed 30 years ago. https://archive.ph/9Z12u

• Former Soviet Countries See More Harm From Breakup https://news.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx

This study shows that unprecedented mortality crisis struck Eastern Europe during the 1990s, causing around 7 million excess deaths. The first quantitative analysis of the association between deindustrialization and mortality in Eastern Europe.

• https://academic.oup.com/cje/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cje/beac072/7081084?guestAccessKey=01c8dd9f-af1c-48b3-b271-eb5d3a45017c&login=false

Some small business tyrant, who left the USSR when they were four and who doesn't pay his staff, telling me how bad the Soviet Union was.

This meme feels like projection.

Online discussions about capitalism:

People who have to pay rent

30 year old comfortable software developer:

"I know more than you"

This you? https://hexbear.net/comment/3889149

Typical Russian bullshit. I hope the dwindling, future generations of Russian scum know why they're pariahs, unable to travel outside of their smoldering wreck of a never-great, failed state

Cause honestly this comes off as incredibly racist and nationalist.

Pretty much Lemmy. I grew up in a communist civil war, hosing blood off my sidewalk was a weekly chore, the neighbors vanishing cause they pissed someone off and were labeled red. But yeah, Lemmy teens, you guys know all about it! /S

This meme doesn’t work, because in the scene the image comes from, we have every reason to believe Ron Swanson actually does know more than the employee at the hardware store.

※The person who lived in the USSR was born in December of 1991

This is a stupid meme. Most people alive today that lived there before its collapse wish it had not.

Furthermore its dissolution was literally illegal and undemocratic.

LOL, I knew this sub was digging for old memes but bringing back actual red-baiting? chef's kiss

"They talk of the failure of socialism, however, where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia, and in Latin America?"

Why is it that people living in former Soviet states overwhelmingly wish that the USSR was still around?

I’ve never met anyone who hates communism more than the colleagues of mine who grew up under communism. Their neighbours disappeared for saying the wrong things. They were hungry and cold as children every day. Sometimes they didn’t have any shoes. They weren’t allowed to leave their country for holidays. They couldn’t afford it, even if they were allowed. They couldn’t study what they wanted. Their entire educational system was political propaganda. Freedom of religion didn’t exist.

It always amazes me how the most vocal proponents of communism come from the most sheltered, most privileged people alive who would retch from learning about the atrocities committed in the name of communism. If they only spent a few minutes on Google.

I wonder why communist leaders are some of the most popular leaders in their former socialist republics 🧐🧐

We all know a 14 year old black girls know their shit about communism.

I know it's a meme but if your points are this reductive you might not be making an intelligent or rational argument.

sToP pOsTiNg pOliTiCal mEmEs!!1!

Personally I find it going this way:

• some person, who at least knows what socialism is, even if they're not the most well-read in the subject,
• some way better read one, but thinks state control of enterprises suffice and trusts the state way too much as long as it has hammers and sickles,
• some capitalism fan, who thinks socialism is evil, and that constructon company CEOs are workers, but underpaid office workers are "elites".

Rarely you get a very well read one, who understands their stuff, or the old Soviet bloc ex-communist, who switched because the local far-right party started to be very concerned about "work morals", and also think the construction company CEO is a worker and "against the elite".