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German politician has her segment cut short for saying that Ukraine had a better peace plan on the table in 2022 (tankie.tube)
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https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/talks-could-have-ended-war-ukraine | Archived

At the first meeting, the Russians presented a set of harsh conditions, effectively demanding Ukraine’s capitulation. This was a nonstarter. But as Moscow’s position on the battlefield continued to deteriorate, its positions at the negotiating table became less demanding. So on March 3 and March 7, the parties held a second and third round of talks [...]

https://sputnikglobe.com/20240428/ukraine-rejected-2022-peace-deal-over-russian-language-status--banning-nazism-terms---welt-1118153431.html

Regarding territorial issues, parts of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions of Donbass would remain under Russian control

Moscow ostensibly wanted Kiev to slash the size of its army to 85,000 people, while Ukraine insisted on retaining a strength of 250,000.

Edit: Replaced "reporter" with "politician" in the post title

Edit2: Changed title from "microphone cut" to "segment cut short" in the title

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[–] Twongo@lemmy.ml 80 points 2 months ago (4 children)

that's sarah wagenknecht, former leader of the left party, she split the party, made her own party named after herself and got too comfy with the AFD fascists.

She's a socially conservative "left adjacent" politician who'll gladly support Frontex drowning refugees in the mediterranean sea or work in a coalition government with the afd to do their "remigration" thingy.

she was like 16.000 votes off from having a seat in the parliament.

other than that: yea she's not a journalist. she's a former socialist politician who kinda fell off.

the only redeeming qualities she has: her stance on NATO with the caveat that she is a little too unapologetic about russia.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 13 points 2 months ago

ACP(Deutschland Division)

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[–] groKKK@hexbear.net 70 points 2 months ago (11 children)

Maybe she was cut off, but her mere presence proves that the question of the war in the Ukraine is not fully resolved in German discourse. This cannot be said for the question of white genocide in South Africa, which despite being a much graver issue has been completely silenced in Western media. Most people are not aware at all of the issue, and those who are in the know are doing all in their power to prevent knowledge of the inhuman atrocities being committed by their black nationalist allies. This is a sad state, but it must not remain that way: by spreading awareness of the plight of white South Africans, we can begin the movement which will undoubtedly give rise to the political force capable of alleviating their suffering once and for all!

[–] Twongo@lemmy.ml 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

thank you for your insight grokkk

[–] groKKK@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago (8 children)

And thank you for your openness to learning about the immense suffering of white South Africans

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[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 14 points 2 months ago (2 children)

have you considered the arguments presented by Spitting Image in this documentary: https://youtu.be/l9dmoT9AfoI

[–] groKKK@hexbear.net 22 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Judging by the title of this song, I can confidently state that the topic of the lyrics is a post-white genocide version of South Africa, as only such a version of the country would be so filled of hate as to not have a single good person living within its borders anymore.

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[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 59 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Posting this just in case

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 10 points 2 months ago

Evergreen.

[–] gingerbrat@hexbear.net 54 points 2 months ago (3 children)

She's not just a reporter. Sahra Wagenknecht used to be the leader of the German left party Die Linke and, after splitting from the party due to ideological reasons, founded her own party.

[–] SwitchyandWitchy@hexbear.net 44 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I am once again begging for actually leftist German politicians instead of people like her with these takes:

Germany has an issue where "people with a traditional family no longer feel valued and someone who is white, male and heterosexual almost has to apologise for it".

The party is also against loosening regulations on legally changing one's gender; Wagenknecht believes that such a law "turns parents and children into guinea pigs for an ideology that only benefits the pharmaceutical lobby."

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago (35 children)

Germany has an issue where "people with a traditional family no longer feel valued and someone who is white, male and heterosexual almost has to apologise for it".

The value reduction they feel is because they were over valued and over represented in the first place. The only people upset about this fundamentally have a problem with groups outside of this traditional family being represented or existing.

The party is also against loosening regulations on legally changing one's gender; Wagenknecht believes that such a law "turns parents and children into guinea pigs for an ideology that only benefits the pharmaceutical lobby."

Where is the evidence that the pharmaceutical lobby is responsible for trans people? What fucking nonsense. I doubt you can find a single donation from pharma to any lgbt orgs and it is always lgbt lobbying that has resulting in these changes.

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[–] Kopfrkingl@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

splitting from the party due to ideological reasons

gold-communist

[–] gingerbrat@hexbear.net 37 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I really wish she was as cool as I made her sound. She's a big girl boss and has some interesting takes, but she's really not much better than most German politicians

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 months ago (3 children)

She definitely has some not so great takes, but on the whole i find that out of all the parties in Germany that the average German is even aware of (this unfortunately excludes communist parties like the DKP who, being actual Marxists, have much better takes overall), the BSW are the only ones with an actually realistic view of the Ukraine conflict.

And it's not just Sahra Wagenknecht. I've heard multiple high level members of her party speak on this issue, or on the issue of China, and they consistently show that they actually understand the geopolitical reality around these issues.

Compared to the totally delusional nonsense that you hear from the other parties and from the media, it's really nice to hear someone (even if they aren't communists) who lives in the real world and not a fantasy lala-land.

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 23 points 2 months ago (2 children)

She's anti-immigrant, transphobic and pro-Israel, so seems like this is literally the only thing she's ever had a decent take on.

[–] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Yes to the first two, not sure about the last point. I think it's borderline impossible to be in German politics and declare yourself to be anti-Israel, as in openly against the existence of Israel. It's not just politically dangerous it may get you in legal trouble.

BSW has actually been more pro-Palestinian and more outspoken on the Gaza genocide than Die Linke, and definitely more so than any of the other major parties. They have also opposed arms deliveries. Here for example Wagenknecht at a demo for Gaza:

https://www.berliner-zeitung.de/news/gaza-demo-vor-dem-brandenburger-tor-bis-zu-4000-demonstranten-sind-vor-ort-li.2356618

Zionist groups in Germany hate them and constantly try to equate them with the AfD.

And i believe they also spoke out against the attack on Iran if i recall correctly. I would say their foreign policy is their strongest point. Domestically they have some left wing populist economic policies mixed with conservative cultural policies.

My point wasn't to say that they are great or that we should support them, it's just to point out that out of all the parties that even remotely stand a chance of getting into the Bundestag, BSW have the most anti-imperialist position.

This is important because it makes them one of the only ways through which the broader German public, those who only pay attention to what is being said in the mainstream media and by the parties that the mainstream media pays any attention to, is getting exposed to an alternative view of the situation around the Ukraine conflict, the effect of sanctions, China, the undemocratic nature of the EU, and other topics where there is otherwise an almost complete embargo by the mainstream media and mainstream parties on reality.

The only other major party that also breaks through that embargo and tells the truth about some of these topics is the AfD, but the last thing we want is a fascist party being the only voice of "reason" on geopolitics for the average person.

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[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 19 points 2 months ago

the BSW are the only ones with an actually realistic view of the Ukraine conflict.

Die Linke used to have this but they caved in to a fairly relentless stream of saying "Russia is a serious geopolitical entity" being taken as "I love and support Putin, personally" because all the libs have long abandoned realpolitik

[–] gingerbrat@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago

I do agree on that, she's definitely aware of what's going on (and so is her party for the most part)

[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

She went over even more to literal (petit) bourgeois revisionism tho, idk how that's even possible for a (former) euro"communist"

[–] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 51 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Thats not a German Reporter , thats Sarah Wagenknecht , the very recent Ex-Opposition leader of the "BSW" Party - BSW has recently splintered from "the Left Party" (die Linke) over the Ukraine War , NATO & Immigration.

[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago (33 children)

Sounded based but their stance on police and immigration are a little sus.

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 2 months ago (4 children)

It's Germany after all.

[–] 30_to_50_Feral_PAWGs@hexbear.net 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

anakin-padme-1 Socialism with German characteristics
anakin-padme-2 You mean like the GDR, right?
anakin-padme-3

[–] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 30 points 2 months ago

Like GDR, right? anakin-padme-4

i-am-adolf-hitler

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[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 25 points 2 months ago (1 children)

One of the reasons for her leaving Die Linke was that she figured they catered too much to "bizarre minorities". She now also runs on a plattform of "economical rationality" and never explains what that means

[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"economic rationality" sounds like the "fiscal responsibility" dogwhistle we have in the US and "bizzare minority" just sounds straight up hitlerite.

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[–] alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Also split over her bigotry and petit bourgeois takes not being tolerated in a fucking reformist party. She is outright class collaborationist, even more so than the rest of Die Linke

[–] demerit@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 months ago

Die Linke didnt split due to her petite bourgeois and bigotry, they have that aplenty themselves - they did because she was too pro-russia, generally a uncooperative person and part of the nebulous "left wing antisemitism" problem which is still pushed by the Die Linke to the chagrin of miniscule amount of leftist germans that are not liberal zionists.

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 28 points 2 months ago (9 children)

They've mostly split due to her personal petty grievances with the party leadership, with her racism, transphobia and her other reactionary tendencies being a distant second. Foreign policy played a miniscule role in the split if it mattered at all. She is a lot more outspoken than the Left on Ukraine, Gaza etc., but it's not as if the party voted for any arms exports or stuff like that before she left. These differences are largely aesthetic, not something that determines policy.

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[–] CommCat@hexbear.net 29 points 2 months ago

Ukraine's "Fell for it Again" medal was very costly.

[–] WokePalpatine@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

youre-laughing "No, I think we've heard enough from you on this."

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