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[–] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world 138 points 1 month ago (7 children)
[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 48 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That movie always wilds me out because it was so much better back then for this shit, and it was still recognized that it’s insane we live like this.

[–] Scubus@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"some of those that work forces are the same that burn crosses."

"Those who died are justified; by wearing the badge, they're your chosen whites"

These problems have been seen forever. Everyone is comfortable working through controlled opposition so we just chill on the ratchet. Its only going to get worse until people grow a spine and stop being tolerant, which is never going to happen.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 118 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Brought to you by rich boomers who bought a new car every 2 years. True story.

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 55 points 1 month ago

I never know what kind of car my dad drives because he seemingly always has a new one.

If my new car don’t last me 10 years I’m going be petty pissed off.

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[–] DaddleDew@lemmy.world 97 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

What if, bear with me here, what if people just don't have as much disposable income after the dramatic transfer of wealth to the rich class we've been seeing?

The economy is collapsing and the lower classes are feeling it already. The rich investor class isn't seeing it because the tech industry has been propping up the market with their investments going all-in with unrealistic expectations for AI technology. We are currently experiencing a K-shaped recovery where the richest are on a spending spree while the poorest are cutting back their expenses. How much more obvious must it be that this is what's going on?

You want the general population to start wasting their money on useless crap again, you'll have to give them more money to work with.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They've also been propping up the market with some sketchy circular deals, swearing up and down they're not like Enron.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I agree, but I gotta point out the area you're wrong. It's the internet after all. So don't take my hyper-focus to heart.

The investors are absolutely aware. They don't care if AI has any material value. They will happily invest in a bubble and inflate far beyond what anyone believes is possible. The capitalist system has only evolved to be BETTER for capitalist when the bubble pops. They know this. They literally have lobbies dedicated to ensuring their wealth is protected.

I think we confuse the "irrationality of the market" with the investors being irrational themselves. They are doing exactly what any rational investor would do in an economic system that has been built to favor them.

I'm sure you're aware of this given your perspective. But I think it's important to use the right vocabulary to describe this. The problem is not a "broken system" with irrational actors. The system is working EXACTLY as intended and the investors are acting completely rationally within the economic system that has been created for their benefit. This isn't "bad capitalism" that needs regulation. This is just capitalism.

Bubbles and crashes are not something that investors are working hard to avoid. They are a feature of the contradictions of capitalism. Capitalist are very much aware of them and have ensured they can benefit from them while the working class takes the losses.

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[–] DandomRude@lemmy.world 85 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yes, these people are truly insane. I recently read the following headline:

Rheinmetall shares: Fear of peace shocks investors

(Translated from German, source | Rheinmetall is an arms manufacturer)

[–] Ziglin@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Senseless@feddit.org 19 points 1 month ago

This world is fucked.

[–] Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 69 points 1 month ago (11 children)

They can pry my Galaxy S4 with removable battery and IR blaster out of my cold dead hands. (Thank you LineageOS, because Samsung dropped updates for it a decade ago.)

[–] Hoimo@ani.social 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You're still getting Lineage updates for the S4?! That one maintainer keeping your phone alive:

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[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 17 points 1 month ago

This guy gets it.

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[–] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 65 points 4 weeks ago (7 children)

Nah, the 12 dead laptops undef my bed I use for hardware salvage and experiments are device hoarding. The multiple disassembled game consoles in my closet is device hoarding. None of it is sorted, the retro stuff isn't sorted, the new stuff isn't sorted.

I'm device hoarding. The average consumer is absolutely not.

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 58 points 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

“Costing the economy”

Thankfully wealth hoarders aka. billionaires pouring money into offshore bank accounts, unaffordable real estate, government bonds, and inflated stocks are all in our benefit. Only us peasants are being selfish.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If those billionaires wanted to increase the GDP they should pay more so more money circulates.

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[–] madjo@feddit.nl 56 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

Can we get a headline about bazillionaires hoarding wealth?

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[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 52 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

i refuse to upgrade, because newer phones are objectively a worse experience than older ones. They keep removing features in the name of "innovation" while putting more stuff in there that the market is actively telling them they don't want.

[–] IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 28 points 4 weeks ago (5 children)

I miss the 90s early 2000s, where every 2 years the new products were much better, not only specs wise but categorically so. and a new phone did not cost a month of rent.

I have a 2020's phone, and besides battery life being weaker now. I see absolutely no reason to upgrade for a marginal spec bump.

When was the last time a new feature was added? like something that would make want to have it? they are afraid of any risk and so there is absolutely no innovation. the closest thing to any risk they took is when they removed the headphone jack to sell 300$ headphones.

The whole industry is being enshitified.

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[–] Zier@fedia.io 42 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

If you want people to buy a new phone every year "for the economy", the $1800 phone must be reduced to $50, and the quality stays at flagship levels. The citizens are not here to make the oligarchs wealthy. Fuck your economy.

[–] anugeshtu@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago

For real... "device hoarding". Lol. What about "saving", "environmentally friendly", NOT wasting resources for nothing"? No, we need a negative term for that!

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 41 points 1 month ago (15 children)

In the meantime EU is forcing manufactures to use replaceable batteries, provide updates for 5 years and spare parts for 7 years.

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[–] EtnaAtsume@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Seriously, I remember the days when buying the newest model of phone every year was seen as near parody levels of hyper-consumerism. It was lambasted, mocked, looked down on.

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[–] StoneyPicton@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 month ago

I saw the phrase the other day and thought the same thing. They should be complaining about the manufacturers "feature hoarding".

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 31 points 1 month ago

Work productivity? That's a strange way to say "shareholder value".

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In an age where phones get seven or more years of software support theres very little reason not to use your phone until it breaks

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 28 points 4 weeks ago

Money hoarding by billionaires is literally destroying the entire world

[–] Beacon@fedia.io 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hoarding - i do no think this word means what you think it means. This is the opposite of hoarding, this is reducing the amount of objects you possess

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hoarding

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 25 points 4 weeks ago (11 children)

You see, here's the thing.

When this whole smart phone thing started, smart phones sucked. They ate a lot of power, so the battery didn't last, they were slow, both in computation, and loading data, the screens were pretty trash (dim, low res, huge bezels).... Everything needed improvements.

Now-a-days, my phone, whether new, or a couple years old, has an all day battery life, it's pretty quick and snappy, apps load quickly, data appears almost instantly on it, the screen is bright, with minimal bezel area.... Nothing I care about changes.

So why am I upgrading? Slightly better camera? Slightly better everything else? Stuff I don't perceive has been "improved" and I don't actually give a shit.

My reason to upgrade isn't there. Currently, my reason to upgrade is: this phone will no longer get upgrades, I should get something that will.... For security. That's it.

So why in the actual fuck, would I bother doing it if I don't have to? AI? No thanks.

[–] phed@lemmy.ml 17 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'd start questioning an economy that relied on getting rid of perfectly good things.

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[–] monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago

Weren’t these the same people saying that we should stop buying new iPhones and avocado toast?

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh, man...they must absolutely love my Dad. He buys a new phone every 6-9 months. He has dementia and thinks every new phone is "broken" because he doesn't remember how they work anymore.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe it's time for a jitterbug phone instead

[–] Archangel1313@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago

Sweet mother of God...I did not know that was a thing. I am going to have a serious look at that. Thank you.

[–] Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

Hoard cool cars in a secret garage never to see the light of day ever again? Collecting.

Keep your phone for 5 years until you're forced to upgrade? Hoarding.

Rough housing with your cousins at Thanksgiving? Horsing.

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[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 24 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Maybe if any of the good features coming out today wasn't paired with the monkey's paw that is:

  • it's behind an app
  • it's a subscription service
  • it's planned obsolescence
  • I can actually fix it with third party vendors
  • it's selling your data

Maybe then consumers would actually get excited by new developments. All these trends are doing is turning the new generations into luddites.

[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 16 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I love it when people are called "Luddites" for hating the enshittified tech because guess what? The OG Luddites weren't actually "Luddites", either. They weren't afraid of progress per se, but its use against the average person. Unfortunately, the propaganda against them worked too well.

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[–] kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 4 weeks ago

It's funny how thrift and frugality will ruin the economy for everyone but gambling with other people's homes and retirement funds is good business sense.

[–] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Blue checkmarks fund Nazis…

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[–] BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 month ago

It's TERRORISM to NOT Update your Technology every year according to Trump's NPSM-7!

[–] El_guapazo@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

I've been costing the economy for decades now

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 19 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Photographers are the worse. They are still buying lenses from 1930 and all the decades between then and now. Just because glass still works regardless of how old it is.

So it's got some fongus dirt...opens it up, washes the glass and puts it back together!

So its got a scratch or the fongus ate the surfaces... No problem! Now it has character! Need more character? Add jelly! Its great for porn! Oh, I guess its good for porn in many ways. Jelly.

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[–] gruvn@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 weeks ago (15 children)

Will someone sell me one that is secure, doesn't resell my data, isn't preloaded with useless AI "features", and doesn't have Israeli Spyware on it?

I'm waiting for Canada to allow some of the Chinese models in Huawei looks great. They may still collect data, but not for the US tech oligarchs.

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[–] stevedice@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey, it was thanks to these kinds of people that I was able to buy a literally new Galaxy S24 for $300 like a month after release.

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