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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Remember when Obama decided that "moving on" was more important than prosecuting the Bush admin for war crimes? There won't ever be any consequences for these people unless we find a way to distribute them ourselves.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 6 points 1 day ago

The corruption, incompetence, and negligence of the Bush administration led to the avoidable deaths of over 10,000 American citizens, countless foreign nationals, the rise of organized Muslim military extremism, AND the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression.

When Obama took over, I never bought into his Hope & Change bullshit, he looked like just another neolib placeholder President, meant to fill in between destructive Republicans presidencies. That was the role of EVERY Democratic president since LBJ, the last warrior Democrat, and that's the role that Obama filled.

I said at the time, that if Obama didn't aggressively punish the crimes of the Bush administration, the Republicans would view it as extreme weakness, and pounce. Republicans are feral, and they operate like wild animals. If their natural tendency for chaos isn't controlled, the next Republican administration would be even worse.

Despite that, even I was surprised at how bad MAGA became.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Remember when Obama continued committing war crimes like he was the 3rd and 4th terms of the bush administration? It was in his best interest not to prosecute, the precedence would have been inconvenient for him.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

For sure I do. I just wanted to hold up an example of a liberal hero for demonstration.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 13 points 1 day ago

The department’s own explanation confirms it is violating the law it claims to follow.

LOCK. THEM. UP!

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She's on the same shitty level as Epstein. Protecting pedophiles.

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[–] myfunnyaccountname@lemmy.zip 36 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] uncouple9831@lemmy.zip 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean the dogs in that experiment were right, they were being tortured by humans and they had no control over their experience. The fact that sometimes the humans turned off the shock to fuck with them doesnt really change that they were powerless.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Sure. I'm just saying that this well-known demonstrated phenomenon is being weaponized against you

[–] uncouple9831@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

Fair, that's true

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[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 162 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

There have been dozens, if not more, of impeachable offenses Trump has committed and they don't care. Why would they care about this, which helps their dear leader?

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 66 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Because no one cares about Pam Bondi, but the American people care about the Epstein files

Who's going to defend her? She made the administration look bad while also pissing off the public

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 30 points 2 days ago (1 children)

In n particular, MAGA care about the Epstein files. This is a major crack in their coalition. They spent years throwing around conspiracy theories about pedophile cults secretly running the world. They are obsessed with the Epstein files, and the more Trump tries to obfuscate their contents, the more they have to start wondering what his skin in the game is. We're already seeing it happen with people like MTG publicly turning on him.

It's still a cult. They don't want to suspect dear leader of anything. But the more he works to conceal stuff, the more they're trapped between two things they hold at absolute truths. One of them has to give eventually.

[–] Instigate@aussie.zone 12 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I’d dearly love to believe you but if any group of people are champions of managing cognitive dissonance without addressing it, it’s the MAGA crowd.

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[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 days ago

The only thing the military should be doing is locking up the administration for crimes against humanity

[–] altphoto@lemmy.today 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Some of us pretended to to wrap presents for the kids. Others erased evidence that could help put a pedophile in jail.

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

So obviously both sides are the same.

[–] Monument 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I hope that if I’m ever in the papers for abandoning my morals, my oaths, and all dignity in egregiously stupid ways, that my wonton and clear law-breaking is characterized as defiance.

“Oh, no, your honor, I wasn’t breaking all those laws! I was defying them!”

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I hope if I'm ever in the papers for defying the law, abandoning my morals and doing some that will be remembered with scorn through all of history, it will be for something like assassinating someone I learn from a time traveler will become the next genocidal scourge to humanity.

Not, you know... helping a kid rapist get away with raping kids.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 days ago
[–] D_C@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 days ago

Paedo protector pam.

Remember what she did when the fat old child rapist dies.

[–] HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com 62 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Throw it on the heap of all the other illegal shit this administration has done for which they'll never be punished.

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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 44 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (11 children)

Then what will be the consequences? I don't give a fuck that these people are breaking the law if nothing is going to be DONE about it. I want a headline that says Trump and his cronies are to be prosecuted. Not might be! ARE! and I want the trial to happen quickly, not be dragged out for four years, by which time America has irreversibly descendended into fascism!

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump and his cronies need to be removed from the office, not prosecuted. Not because a part of the population strongly disagrees with his policies, but simply because he has been blatantly disregarding the constitution. And if you think "only the supreme court can decide if that's true" I'm sorry but you're wrong, you only need a brain. You don't need a conviction to know that he is a paedophile and has something weird going on with Putin, you just need your eyes and ears. The epstein files have now been released, clearly implicating him, yet people still seem to be waiting for "the official thing" and crying about the redactions. I understand that he "allegedly" is an Epstein associate until he's convicted, but dear Americans please remember that being found guilty of something is not the same as being guilty of something. You can be one without the other. You can be reasonably certain someone did something based on the evidence you've seen. Judges are not superhuman, and especially if they're complicit, how can you rely on them to stop the injustice?

This really is not a call for violence. I do not care how you stop Trump from hurting the USA and the rest of the world, but it does need to happen, and You The People are the only ones who can make it happen. It is your duty and your right to resist tyranny, isn't it? I hope new "political" figures can rise soon and accomplish that with nothing but charisma and a spine, but at the very least, please stop being so defeatist towards the lack of consequences.

[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm not sure if this is directed at me specifically or the American people but 1) I'm not American and 2) I'm not being defeatist, I'm demanding something be done to change things just like you are. Before the people can do something, they need to recognize that the government isn't going to do anything to stop this

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

No this is not directed to you at all, just seemed like a good space to vent :)

I just hope Americans can find hope and love for each other again, and really be the "beacon of liberty" they purport to be.

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Disbarred and indicted is a very real possibility for a Trump associated lawyer. I lost count how many times that happened

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

And off to Fox News to be a pundit, still making millions of dollars per year.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Get involved in your community. Learn who runs your town, your county, your school district, your state.

Find out who represents what, spend a few hours a week reading and sharing info on local/neighborhood social media, volunteer if you really have the time and drive to make changes. Even just hold a yard sale and get to know your neighbors if you live in that kind of environment.

The reason nobody is paying attention to the law is we stopped paying attention to the people who are supposed to uphold it. We only tune in every 4 years when the circus comes to town, meanwhile the entire fetid clownshow is propped up on a foundation of local representatives and judges and boards of people who largely run uncontested or are installed by companies, not groups of people.

They are leveraging our short attention spans to vote in people who will favor corporate interests over law, and those corporations? they will work harder to erode our attention even further. We can fix this, but it has to start at home.

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[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 29 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm sure her loyalty will be richly rewarded.

[–] Avicenna@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Only until her actions and existence becomes inconvenient, then she will find out that people she so blindly defends don't have her back as much.

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[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 15 points 2 days ago

The leopards are licking their lips

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If you dont impeach the source of the rot, you're just changing the face to another unqualified crony eg Cannon 💀

[–] Paul_1958@lemmy.world 64 points 3 days ago

Lock her up.

[–] Microtonal_Banana@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] GreyEyedGhost@piefed.ca 6 points 1 day ago

I'd rather see her be subject to the rule of law, or even vigilanteism, before I wanted to see the government doing still more blatantly illegal shit.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'd wager it's pardonable as well.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But a President cannot pardon impeachment cases.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Watch the supreme court disagree.

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 2 days ago (5 children)

And we now go live to the DNC for their complete strategy for holding the American Fascist Party accountable:

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

If the democratic leadership and MAGA keep things like this, harder voting will become inevitable. The kind that is leaden in nature.

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[–] TomMasz@piefed.social 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Do it, stop talking about it.

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 days ago

‘Don’s Best Friend’: How Epstein and Trump Bonded Over the Pursuit of Women

https://archive.is/S1p87

[–] Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 days ago (9 children)

And not shit will ever happen about it. More news at 5!

It just gets so exhausting. Nothing will happen. No one will be held accountable. Ever. USA USA USA!!!

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