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News headlines in my country are like "Spotify attacked!!", "Millions of music tracks stolen!!".
Hilarious...
My teachers were the biggest thieves in history, they would hand out copies to us multiple times a day.
Not as dramatic but similar sentiment in german (tech) news.
One day (communities, localities or government libraries) will again host public goods information with free access. Fighting intellectual monopoly is fighting for the return of local libraries (just the modern ones).
The absurdity that western governments fight archivists is beyond insane. They should be helping to distribute and host the data.
The half life of data is getting worse not better in the digital age. These pirates are doing the work of the public good and being vilified.
The American Government and those who lobby all the time for things to get their way. The only kind of history they like, is one they approve of. Any historical facts or things they disagree with, is white-washed and buried. The only things they bother to archive are what they think is dear to them and things that are mostly commonly known, nothing of interest.
Profit is the bottom line.
It's quite sad, how many museums and archival efforts are allowed to die here. The video game industry, was happily allowing over 87% of games released in the past, to just rot and die off without a care. Pirates had to step in a preserve. The music industry, would only care so much about keeping things if they were successful artists. Just so much selective and arbitrary reasons to keep things.
At least, assuming there is a future, they will be vindicated. Future generations will greatly appreciate finding archives such as this.
Let’s go for a 300TB USB key on AliExpress
It sounds like a joke, but it's not out of the realm of possibility, with advances in data storage, that we are easily self hosting the multi hundred TB libraries or distributed torrents on our cell phones in the near future. A combination of cryptography plus hardware advances could quickly redistribute the internet as we know it today, therefore redistributing power. If we are self hosting services locally, there's no ads, less propaganda etc. Anybody that self hosts any services can attest to lower costs, lower exposure to propaganda and advertising, increased self sovereignty, and an increase in insanity (a pun at self hosted 😅🫢)
Yeah, and that was an actual joke. First and last time I ordered a 1Tb solid state storage from Ali it was a looped 32Mb flash, faking the 1Tb.
Got no refund, kept it as a reminder not to be stupid again.
now i just need a 300TB hard drive..
Correction: you need a 200TB hardrive. By now, at least 100TB is AI generated shit music that you don't need.
Edit: these numbers are an (un)educated guess based on my vibes.
While some will be AI, they did filter by songs with at least some play. The millions of AI songs that get uploaded likely get very little play.
But then there’s some AI artists that are getting millions of plays a month….
Where does that number come from?
Out of my ass. Its just commentary on the fact that spotify has AI generated music and that there is a growing amount of it. Maybe I should not have used such steong language.
Everyone knows the best jokes are moderate and impeccably logical.
Good luck filtering it out. Or are they tagged as AI?
Nobody knows that. We haven’t downloaded the archive.
I cannot be that much yet, seriously? Not flaming you on this, maybe you are right but it sounds unrealistic. Spotify has decades of music stored, AI has been round with ability to generate tracks just for a few years. Something like 10% of it sounds more reasonable to me.
Not even that. There’s decades of indie music from around the world on Spotify. I would be surprised if more than a few percent of the 200 million or so songs they scrapped metadata for are AI.
I feel like this will put them much more under the authorities target, music is much more sensible than books, simply because it moves more money..
Anyway I still am wondering how they managed to do this and how they still didn't get caught, there must be reeeally good devs there.
Don't be too excited, guys:
Relatively popular songs are stored in their original 160kbit/s OGG Vorbis quality, while the rest use 75kbit/s to save hundreds of terabytes of storage.
75 kbit/s can sound pretty bad depending on the songs. If you listen to it on your phone speaker you probably won't notice, but this isn't for quality listening experience. Depends what they mean with popular though, maybe all "good" songs are stored in the higher bitrate.
The only songs reencoded to that quality is a sample of the 0-streams songs, which do make up a lot of the total count.
Everything that has been listened to at least once is in high quality.
0-popularity, not 0-streams, which are two different metrics according to the archive blog post. But nevertheless, the re-encoded stuff is stuff pretty much no one will miss. Also Opus at 75kbps is much better than Vorbis or mp3 at that bitrate.
What I've read is it's about: Preservation.
This aint just about piracy because free media.
And that's why I think it's an issue. The least popular tracks, which are the most likely ones to disappear from the internet, are the ones they store in the lowest quality. While I'm glad they made this huge effort for preservation, and understand the limitations of storage space, I also wish they would have at least preserved the original 160kbps streams.
I've literally never been unable to find ogg, flac or mp3s for any album on Soulseek. Why is scraping Spotify even necessary?
There is probably a lot of listening data that could be useful. Say you like a particular song, you could look at what other songs people who stream that do also streamed a lot?
True. An "open source" music discovery algorithm would be nice. They could've just scraped the metadata for that though.
Oh no! The free music is not top tier quality for my ears!
Getoutahere
I think the most interesting part is all the metadata. The audio quality is not fit for archival purposes, archives use e.g. flac
why must every good site draw attention to themselves like this? Make alternative site for music if you must make such a spectacle out of it, so when the hammer falls it doesnt take out the books too. Or at least have some kind of plan on how to survive it, which i really hope they do.
The content is distributed across numerous torrents. It's decentralized. Also there's a reason pirate bay is still up, while the other centralized players aren't.. . design distributed systems that aren't vulnerable to easy take downs.
Speed, security or cost, pick two.
yes, but what about annas archive itself? Decentralization is good and resilient, but the authoritans will attack the website and its maintainers directly. Maybe they will try blocking it, or demonize it and its users or maybe they will even start uploading malware there to make it worse to use. In general, as long as things stay out of general public's view they are somewhat safe, but I bet this will have at least some news organizations mention it.
Each day we have less and less rights and protections so we(as in the piracy community in general) have to make sure we will survive despite of that. Not just for ourselves but to preserve things for everyone.
They already know about Anna's Archive considering the disruption back during the summer.
ah, then hopefully it wont get any worse
If instead of a giant omnibus torrent they put a folder structure on IPFS, it would be essentially a fully available streaming Spotify clone with the ability for people to "pin" tracks or albums or artists to have them stay locally on their device...
Just saying...
Be the change you wish to see.
You're right, but that's not their goal.
Very cool, though the quality leaves a bit to be desired.
For popularity>0, we got close to all tracks on the platform. The quality is the original OGG Vorbis at 160kbit/s. Metadata was added without reencoding the audio (and an archive of diff files is available to reconstruct the original files from Spotify, as well as a metadata file with original hashes and checksums).
For popularity=0, we got files representing about half the number of listens (either original or a copy with the same ISRC). The audio is reencoded to OGG Opus at 75kbit/s — sounding the same to most people, but noticeable to an expert.
I listen exclusively to 96kbps opus and it sounds perfect. Not sure if 75kbps would be noticeable.
I don't know if I have bad ears but I cannot hear the difference in 90K OPUS from FLAC.
Nice.
Would have been happy to pay but they just had to be a$$#oles
You can say assholes on the internet
Call me when it's actually released. "We'll release the music in the future" is worth exactly as much content as "we'll release a Batgirl movie".
You don't need them to release anything. Just download soulseek and search for anything you want.
“Well release a batgirl movie” sounds like a really ominous statement to make tbh
Well, it should have been, once.
LET'S FUCKING GO