this post was submitted on 25 Dec 2025
106 points (95.7% liked)

Privacy

43982 readers
1217 users here now

A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.

Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.

In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.

Some Rules

Related communities

much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)

founded 6 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I really like Duolingo’s approach to language learning (even though I know it’s not actually that effective) but considering the privacy nightmare that Duolingo is, plus the continuous enshittificafion of the app, I’d love to use a more privacy friendly and less ad ridden alternative.

Any suggestions would be appreciated :)

all 25 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 8 points 15 hours ago

Name the language. Don't ask for a drop in replacement.

[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 20 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

I would recommend using Language Transfer.

It has courses for about 10 languages. All of them are sets of MP3 files, about 10 minutes each. You can download them from soundcloud, listen via YouTube, or install the simple but very effective app.

I think you would be shocked at how natural and effective this system is. I have been using it to learn Spanish as my fifth language, and it is easily the best language acquisition system I have ever used short of living in the target country. It explicitly avoids and discourages memorization.

It's completely free, but the creator asks for donations to cover his expenses. Believe it or not, one man has created courses for French, Spanish, German, Italian, Greek, Turkish, Arabic, Swahili, and recently Japanese.

[–] Sunny@slrpnk.net 5 points 20 hours ago

Came here to suggest the same one. Solid and can be used offline if needed 😊

[–] fluxx@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I'm learning Greek on Duolingo and am amazed at how slowly I'm progressing and I'm already a year in. I'll give this one a shot tonight and report back at least first impressions.

[–] fluxx@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Wow, didn't even know Greek is the creator's first language. It seems like it all started with Greek. First few lessons are good, but a vastly different experience to Duolingo and such. Ill have to keep at it to see if it is effective.

[–] utjebe@reddthat.com 3 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

rosettastone.com is something I used like 15 years ago. Kind of a desktop Duolingo or that's how I remember it.

[–] baguette@piefed.social 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Anki?

FOSS and you can create your own decks or download those made by others.

[–] treeofnik@discuss.online 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Does this come with the language translations or is it like a DIY thing since the software provides something akin to digital flash cards?

[–] baguette@piefed.social 14 points 1 day ago

I tried making my own, but generally I download them from Ankiweb. It depends on the deck how well build they are and which media they contain (audio/images/weblinks).

[–] MagnificentSteiner@lemmy.zip 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I use Duolingo every day, seems pretty effective to me.

I'm not sure how it's a privacy nightmare. I gave them my email address for spam and a false name.

To avoid the ads, I use it via browser (firefox with ublock origin) on my phone instead of on the app.

[–] fluxx@lemmy.world 2 points 18 hours ago

I use Duolingo, but at least for Greek it's really slow and inefficient. I am 2/3 of the way to the end and feel like I still suck. Plus, I learned a word for vegetarian in the first few weeks but haven't yet learned a word for money for instance. I feel like it's very badly optimized.

[–] gtr@programming.dev 3 points 1 day ago

There is Qlango which is neat because it is available on Accrescent. Haven't tried it though.

[–] snek_boi@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There is a group that does studies on different apps. They look at how much time people spend using a language-learning app and how much each minute of studying adds to a standardized language test. I remember reading that Rosetta Stone and LingQ were by far the most efficient per minute spent in those apps. If I remember correctly, both are privately held companies, which I see as a better sign than Duolingo’s public listing. I don’t know about their privacy policies, though.

[–] rhythmisaprancer@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I had Lingonaut recommended awhile ago here, but it is in early development and still doesn't support desktop use. It looks like it has apple and android support (maybe? both in alpha I think) but that isn't how I would interact.

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

It really seems to be made by one of those devs who think Android is by default an inferior platform, and that anything outside the iOS "ecosystem" is by default insecure.

Also yeah, no plans to make a desktop app.

[–] asbestos@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Didn’t know that is was a privacy nightmare, would like to know more

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s all AI now, and apparently terrible at its primary function, from what I have heard

[–] natecox@programming.dev 12 points 1 day ago

They did seem to go all in on genAI, but I think the claims that they’re ineffective are fairly weak.

Duolingo is a fantastic companion app to additional learning, it provides a great way to build in repetition.

I’m loathe to admit it, but the genAI voice calls actually are pretty good, especially if you don’t have any native speakers to work with. All it really does is force you to come up with the words to use rather than parroting words on the screen, which is what Duolingo has always been missing.

[–] illi@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I haven't tried it yet, but I got recommended Mango for this.

[–] grey_maniac@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago

qlango might meet your needs.

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

I use Lingodeer. It's pretty good.

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not privacy focused but read on if you want my thoughts on Duo vs Busuu. I used Duolingo back in the day but they chased me away with their complete 180 on ads (they used to advertise as no ads ever!). Duolingo was great for learning vocab but terrible for grammar in my opinion (at least eng-> german and eng-> spanish).

After bailing I didn’t use anything for awhile but I picked up Busuu a few years ago shortly after it was purchased by Chegg. They have a premium and an ad supported tier and the ad tier is terrible, it makes you have to close out at the end of each lesson to proceed past an annoying screen trying to get you to upgrade. The premium is advertised at about $70 a year but it comes down to around $50 for good sales. The monthly is a bit pricey ($10 or $12 or something).

Anyways, I really like Busuu for learning grammar. They have a flash card section for vocab that’s excellent as well but the grammar is where I saw huge improvements. The grammar is introduced in the lessons then given a strength that degrades over time until you practice it again. It tells you where your skills are weak so you can focus on a particular grammar element.

I also really like that they include regional differences in word use and regional expressions.

They recently introduced an AI speaking feature but I haven’t opted into it because I’m not comfortable with them processing my voice data. I haven’t read the privacy policy. This means skipping 1-2 lessons each unit which isn’t a big deal to me.

Hope this info is helpful to someone!

[–] Brunette6256@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 day ago

It works as a webapp