Do not change the agency. It cannot be reformed. It MUST be abolished, demand nothing less.
this post was submitted on 16 Jan 2026
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Absolutely, if only to make it really clear to future Americans that this kind of behavior from a government agency is completely unacceptable and leads to real consequences. Besides that, it's a way easier policy lift than Defund the Police - we could just go back to how we did things in the 90s and bring back Immigration and Naturalization Services, who were more like DMV workers making sure paperwork was in order than the psychopath gun wielding spec ops wannabes that have always made up Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
Of course, since this is such an obvious good idea, the second worst group of people in America are going into overdrive right now - "Dems Are Begging Their Own to Drop ‘Abolish ICE’ - A new memo circulating on Capitol Hill urges Democratic lawmakers to instead embrace reforming the agency." (arc)
Yep, ICE needs to relegated to the American History Hall of Shame,.along with Slavery, The Native American Genocide, the Japanese Internment on WW2, etc., and of course, MAGA.
And I'm not even kidding. When this is over, we should erect an American History Hall of Shame in Washington DC, and require schools to add curriculum that includes rigorous discussion of our indelible sins, at every level of schooling, from elementary through high school. High Schools should include it on their field trips.
American students should be taught about the evils that they have a civic responsibility to actively resist. I don't how the rest of the word could ever trust America again, if we don't acknowledge our past, and show true remorse and contrition, and pledge to be more vigilant of Democracy in the future.
I'd vote to spend money on that. We would finally have a building worthy of sticking Trumps name on.
I support change.
A change from ICE and DHS existing to not.
This. Even if we view this as corruption of their original mission (it isn't), at a certain point, the only thing to do with a structure that's rotted so much is to pull it down and start fresh. Corruption is cancer, and allowing any corrupt entities to exist within the system means that corruption will spread back in.
The majority of people who support ICE believe that the people who don't are traitors and not real Americans who deserve to be cast aside if not punished. They are never going to be swayed by fact, let alone public opinion.
"The Second American Revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to be." These people are at war with us.
They should abolish all of homeland security really. They only made it after 9/11, on the back of the unconstitutional patriot act. We should start over with something new, the rot is too deep at these agencies.
We will not though, republicans have a plurality of support on this issue generally even with the dissatisfaction with recent news events.
100 fucking percent. If any part of the current U.S. government should be just scrapped and burned in a fire with bipartisan support, it's the patriot act and everything that came with it.
Given how these fascist fuckers operate, it's no surprise they would wrap one of the most unconstitutional and unpatriotic pieces of legislation in American history inside of a bill with a name like that.
Just like Trump sending a small military to invade American cities and murder Americans was for our "safety." So are all of the crack downs on free speech, protests, constant surveillance and invasion of our privacy. It's all for our own good, and if you disagree you're unpatriotic and keeping America from being "great." The audacious horseshit logic and brainwashing is fucking insane.
I sentence the patriot act and Common good "constitutionalism" to kiss my ass.
"It's awkshully more patriotic of you to willingly hand over your rights and liberties. For your own safety and for the common good."
What a shocking twist that the "anti-elitist" Harvard law professor (I'm not even kidding) who came up with the legal theory of common good constitutionalism, just happens to be obsessed with the legal scholar who helped make the German constitution secondary to the legal authority of Hitler.
The idea that "we" (the majority) voted for the leader to hold office, and therefore if he wants to wipe his ass with the constitution and tell us he's doing it for our own safety and the good of the country, that's legal order and the constitution working like it's supposed to, is fascist horseshit, and just an obvious rip off of the laws that allowed Hitler to come to power. Especially when our "leader" also straight up "jokes" about cancelling elections.
Schmitt was the presiding legal expert at meetings during the early stages of the Third Reich that resulted in a formal decision to bypass the process of formulating a new constitution. An approach that would nominally maintain the former constitution was adopted, even though the Führerprinzip (Leader Principle) was given transcendent supra-legal status.
'Leader Principle' was the basis of executive authority in the government of Nazi Germany. It placed Adolf Hitler's word above all written law, and meant that government policies, decisions, and officials all served to realize his will.
How "lucky" are we to coincidentally have a leader who claims to be guided by his own morality rather than any written laws...?
The establishments today, especially the legal establishment and bureaucracies, think the republic is already dead. As such they will neglect protecting the constitution, neglect protecting honest elections. The only thing that stopped the supreme court in 2020 was that it looked like it wasn't going to work. 5 states, with mostly blue governments to some, and people in their own party resistant to faithlessly betraying the vote.
Those people have been purged from their party and made an example of, relevant positions to steal the vote have been stacked, and the partisan base has gotten away with systematically levelling masses of death threats on election officials, hundreds crossed the legal line just that reuters invetigations found, and the administration filed mild charges in a literal handful of cases, by 2022 I think one single prosecution.
Voting officials have death threats on them, their families, and the justice department refused to protect them even with a democratic president. It's things like that more than anything that led the bureaucracy and courts to abandon the constitution. These democrats won't protect those that stick their neck out to fulfill their duty, the republicans will punish them, and it's all but inevitable these democrats would throw the election sooner or later to the radicalized republican party.
The rich that captured the democrats completely before we were born want to forestall any kind of popular reform that would revoke any licenses they've gotten to take more than their previous shares. In doing so they also created a monster on the right they cannot control and will themselves be destroyed by. In one way and or others. But there is no pulling back now even if they knew some history and realized a supreme leader never ends well for those in power at the time of the anointment. Not in the long term, and not in the short term if the people seizing absolute power are the biggest pieces of shit to start with.
People that support this have no idea what they are doing. Democrats refusing to field a winning program to forestall moderate reforms for their delusional rich backers have no idea what they are doing. I am continually amazed just how dumb people are, to the point that I am now convinced that we are being dosed with toxins that make us compliant. Because previous generations would've never allowed the last ten years.
They are proud boy and J6 Nazi fucks now secret police.
Arrest them all. They are traitors, racists, and fascist.
The day I can't vote is the day I kill as many as possible.
I took an oath to the constitution.
But the day your neighbor can't vote, that day is just fine (that day has already passed)
There is literally no need for ice to exist. In fact it didn't even exist until the early 2000s. Just fucking get rid of it.
This is one of the few federal departments I think most people (even previous employees) seem to agree we would be better off abolishing and starting from scratch. It has been unnecessary chaos and destruction since day 1.
Oh, Renee Good's murder was the line?
Not all the other abuses?
As long as they're over the line I don't care what got them over it. The important thing is they're on this side of it now.
Typically watching a murder on video makes a difference.
She was whiter than the others. Also, it was caught on video from multiple angles.
If you read the commentary, opinion on ice was already bad. So it was the line for some people, yes, but many others no.
Changes like abolishing the agency and putting them all in jail?
If we had a democracy, it would matter what people want, but I'm very cynical that it will ever matter again
Doesn’t matter. Enough still support the gestapo.
ETA: that doesn’t mean you shouldn't speak out against fascism.
Nothing matters until suddenly it does matter
You’re right; cynicism and nihilism are a big part of why USA citizens aren’t revolting right now, and it’s important to remember that united voices are strong.