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[–] shittydwarf@piefed.social 113 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 97 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

This is clearly a bubble.

I don't care if AI is useful, it's not this useful. And it sure as shit isn't going to see the returns they expect.

I run an internal multi-user AI app. It plugs into almost everyone's workflows to make things easier (fetches documents, pulls data, contextualizes stuff). It costs $1 per day per user in token costs .

You need a trillion people using these apps for the current valuations to make sense.

[–] pipi1234@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

My guess is they are using the Netflix playbook all over again.

Get you hooked to the extreme convenience, much like a drug addict, and then pump up the price or flood every prompt with ads.

That's my best case.

Worse case is, that alongside the rising adoption, they will start surreptitiously but effectively modifying general knowledge, thought and behaviour in ways the ~~worst~~ best Marketer would blush about.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think the word you're looking for there is surreptitiously

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[–] Postimo@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago

then pump up the price or flood every prompt with ads.

"Sure I found that document you needed, and with it, I also found this great new game I know you'll love. Raid: Shadow Legends, It's a free to pla..."

I cannot wait for companies spending 300 dollars per user per month for this convenience.

[–] Tanoh@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Get you hooked to the extreme convenience, much like a drug addict, and then pump up the price or flood every prompt with ads.

There is a big difference between "normal" SaaS and LLM.

In a normal SaaS you get a lot of benefit of being at scale. Going from 1000 to 10000 users is not that much harder than going from 10000 to 1000000. Once you have your scaling set up you can just add more servers and/or data centers. But most importantly, the cost per user goes waaay down.

With AI it just doesn't scale at all, the 500000th user will most likely cost as much as the 5th. So doing a netflix/spotify/etc, I don't think is going to work unless they can somehow make it a lot cheaper per user. OpenAI fails to turn a profit even on their most expensive tiers.

Edit: to clarify, obviously you get some small benefits from being at scale. Better negotiations and already having server racks, etc. But those same benefits a traditionsl SaaS gets as well, and so much more that LLM doesn't, because the cost per user doesn't drop.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

If it's this useful, we're (and them) fucked too because the economy would collapse under falling aggregate demand due to falling wages and layoffs. The "people will find new jobs" won't save us from a shift this large without a depression. And all sorts of things happen during depressions.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

I'm struggling to find a scenario in which we are not already fucked. I say we "go for broke" and move on.
Pop this thing.

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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 69 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

So...

It's not a bubble because...

"This is the largest infrastructure build-out in human history," Huang said of active and promised data center projects. "And so the AI bubble is, comes about because the investments are large. And the investments are large, because we have to build the infrastructure necessary for all of the layers of AI above it."

It's something we're sinking money into soley because we've already been sinking money into it, and we don't want anyone else to get ahead of us even though literally no one has found a way to monetize it enough to make back prior investments let alone new investments...

Like, he knows that's literally the definition of an economic bubble, right?

Is he just trying to grift dumb rich investors, or does he legitimately not understand his company could go bankrupt literally at any moment if the investor class ever comes back to reality?

[–] UnpledgedCatnapTipper@piefed.blahaj.zone 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well nVidia just sells the hardware to the AI companies, so even if the bubble pops, they won't go bankrupt. They will stop making such obscene amounts of money, but they're one (also the largest) of the 3 major GPU vendors. Personal computing still would buy from them, as would non-AI datacenters. He wants to keep the bubble going for as long as possible to boost their profits for as long as he can, but as long as people need graphical rendering and parallel compute power, I don't think nVidia is going anywhere.

Think of them as the guy selling prospectors their tools. They hype everything up and jack up their prices for picks and shovels. When the prospectors don't find any gold to make their investment back, the shovel guy just goes back to selling shovels at normal rates and prices. Sure, he's not making as much profit, but he's still solidly in business.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Well nVidia just sells the hardware to the AI companies, so even if the bubble pops, they won’t go bankrupt.

Except all those companies are in an investor circle jerk with each other...

If AI bursts it doesn't just hurt nvidia's sales of products used by AI.

Nvidia has over $100 billion invested in OpenAI:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/26/nvidias-investment-portfolio.html

And even more billions invested in other AI companies. Because the AI companies can't afford to buy what Nvidia is selling at the price.

This means Nvidia "owns" a bunch of those AI companies, and can take loans out on the valuation...

If AI goes bankrupt, all those investments are worthless, which means banks call in the loans that used it as collateral. It could easily wipe out Nvidia.

It's not just one surface level thing, even tho that's all you seem to have thought of. You're worried about a couple hundred million in sales like it's not sitting next to 100 billion dollar loan.

Like bro, come on man...

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[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 6 points 3 weeks ago

Companies involved in large infrastructure build-outs are notoriously safe investments and never, ever, EVER end up with mountains of unservicable debt and a huge surplus of worthless, underutilized infrastructure that doesn't fulfill any of its promises that inevitably gets sold off for fractions of a penny on the dollar. Except literally almost every fucking large infrastructure build-out anywhere in the world in all of human history.

It doesn't matter what infrastructure or investments you look at: highways, train tracks, communications, real estate, skyscrapers, power generation, power transmission, oil extraction there are countless examples of greed-blinded companies JUST LIKE HIS doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING and eventually getting absolutely destroyed over it. The larger the infrastructure investment is, the worse it gets. There are only a handful of well-known success stories (which are well known because they are notable, not because they are common), and enough failures to pave a road to the moon and back.

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, and I'm pretty sure Jensen Huang was too busy shopping for new leather jackets during history class to be paying any attention.

[–] pipi1234@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't get me wrong, I totally agree These motherfuckers would scorch our planet for profit but this... feels different.

Is not a secret a lot of the most influential Billionaires are transhumanists (Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, etc).

But hey, it might as well be a grift to get on board other unsuspecting rich fucks...

Either way, we should put these power hoarding dragons to sleep, soon!

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[–] Insekticus@aussie.zone 47 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Every picture I see of him he's wearing that leather jacket - tell me a CEOs role isn't entirely performative.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's a tech CEO thing - Jobs' turtlenecks, Gates' blue oxford shirts, etc. You wouldn't think twice about a Wall Street guy in a suit, but that's just a daily uniform.

[–] kadu@scribe.disroot.org 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yep, they love it.

They also all love saying they could have (or would have) been a physicist.

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[–] Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Pretty sure Elon's completely given that game away.

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[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

To be fair, I've seen him in another stupider leather jacket that was reptile textured.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 3 weeks ago

They obviously don't pay him enough and that's why he only has the one outfit.

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[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 40 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Its not a bubble. A bubble is when you sink billions into something with no payoff. We've sunk trillions. Any people aren't just uninterested, a substantial amount are actively opposed to it. Its not the same thing at all.

[–] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe you'd call that a black hole instead of bubble

[–] qyron@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] unpossum@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago
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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course they deny that AI is a bubble. Like real estate speculants deny the housing market being a bubble. It simply would be an admission of failure.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 7 points 3 weeks ago

Every conman insists his bullshit is real. Honest!

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 3 weeks ago

"If i deny its existance long enought, it will stop existing!'

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago

The "damage control" they're doing clearly isn't working that well, eh?

[–] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I'd rather forgo all of my technology and live like a caveman than use and embrace AI the way these morons want.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The more I learned about packet tracking and air gapped attacks makes me want to just uncle Ted the fuck out, minus the violence.

[–] Tempus_Fugit@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago

I wouldn't mind Tedding out some of these tech bros.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Even if you wanted to you can't use AI the way these guys want, because it doesn't work.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I haven't read the article. I'm not going to read the article because I, quite frankly, don't care about these people and I hope they all fucking crash and burn. But I'm going to take a guess and say that their attitude is something on the order of "We're making tons of money how can they possibly be the bubble?"

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[–] ieatpwns@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

“Not a bubble” isn’t for us it’s for investors that are starting to wake up. He’s just trying to keep them asleep

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago

No shit. Their stocks would crater if they did tell the truth.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

These fucking nerds - Hey, Dipshit! Jedi mind tricks are not real! Your hand-waving "These are not the AI Tech Bubbles you seek," won't work.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago
[–] nosuchanon@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Trust me bro. Just one more AI, I swear.

[–] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago

Filthy rich liars that got filthy rich by lying and stealing are once again lying to protect their disgusting wealth. Who could‘ve seen this coming?

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 13 points 3 weeks ago

What they say about it means nothing. Why would they say anything else?

[–] hark@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Is davos a gathering of villains hell-bent on making the world a worse place?

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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Bubble inflators say there's no bubble, ask for more pumps for no reason.

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[–] krimson@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Does he ever wash those clothes?

[–] FireWire400@lemmy.world 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

He just buys new ones every three days

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[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There is no war in Ba Sing Se

[–] JATtho@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Current AI is a dead end, it's less intelligent than a fly brain, which by the way can solve mazes with just 160,000 neurons, remember where the food is after hours of discovering such, is self replicating, and is a generic intelegect.

[–] lmr0x61@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

The truth is: if you have wealthy people asking if a bubble is real, and their friends who benefit from their investment deny it, the bubble it is real.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

Like when the coach of a big sports team is interviewed on the half-time break of a game they're losing, this guy will of course going to say they're still going to win.

It would only be news if he confessed they were fucked.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We banish you from this plane of reality, AI bubble!

waves wand

Begone evil beast!

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[–] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Why is that wizened old man dressing in a leather jacket?

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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