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The question has been framed in the streets: is a government that impoverishes healthcare and nutrition, flouts the law, enriches its officials, imprisons babies, and kills its citizens worth the money it collects, much less the respect and obedience it demands?

Democrats have nothing to lose by shutting down the government to force the majority party to respond to these questions and the one that looms over all: what, if any, is the political and moral future of the US?

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[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 58 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This traitor isn’t coming to save us.

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[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 43 points 1 week ago (13 children)
  1. Shut down the US government.
  2. Each state puts forth a new constitution elevating themselves to country status.
  3. Form a new North American Union (like the EU) with Canada as Daddy
  4. ???
  5. Profit
[–] Drusas@fedia.io 8 points 1 week ago

2 would mostly only happen in red states. The rest mostly know how to cooperate.

And you know that California doesn't need Canada, even less when you consider the rest of the US west coast in with it.

[–] SuiXi3D@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Some states have proven that, without federal intervention, they cannot effectively govern themselves. Texas, for instance…

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Texas would last long enough to be dangerous to it's neighbors. I would not want to be in New Mexico if federal power breaks down.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably better to form an analogy to the old European Coal and Steel Community rather than to jump directly into an EU equivalent, also bring Mexico in since without the US being a thing they'll end up with the largest population on the continent.

[–] JennyLaFae@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not smart politics, but I figured it'd be more complicated than a meme outline.

Prolly. Doesn't mean I shouldn't point out viability, fate has a strange way of twisting and if it so decides I would rather have the idea spread than for it to not. Who knows perhaps someone will read my comment and spread it further or be in a position to enact.

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Each state puts forth a new constitution elevating themselves to country status.

I hope my state can successfully wage war against every state to the south of it.

[–] I_Jedi@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago

My state is completely surrounded by enemies.

[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Isnt that like kicking meth addicted people over? seems cruel?

[–] borkborkbork@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

And Mexico as Madre?

Claudia Sheinbaum is pretty cute. I'm in.

[–] ramenshaman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I could get behind that.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago (7 children)

While my theory is based on various sci-fi so should be taken with a mine of salt, my guess is that USA will split into three different countries: NUSA (lol Cyberpunk) which will comprise of the original 13 colony states and the upper North East, The California Republic which will essentially be the West and NW and in good relations with NUSA but with different legislature, and the South which might be called anything from Texas, New Texas, Republic of Texas, or New Louisiana Territory, which will essentially be a war-torn area full of religious extremists not unlike Middle-Eastern areas after the West had their way with them. It will be full of forever wars by religious factions funded by the MIC shareholders of various other countries but in the public face it'll be covered by the media as religious extremism and/or patriotic fanaticism while ignoring the material reality and history of the situation.

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[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What percent of new countries declare all people with brown skin are slaves?

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

We really should've abolished that.

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[–] sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world 43 points 1 week ago

If you don't feel like your representatives are adequately representing you (God knows I don't), this is a good time to find a primary candidate to support (monetarily or with your time) - or even file to run yourself. Every house representative is up for reelection in November.

[–] zd9@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Shut it the fuck down until the weasels in the GOP actually have their arm twisted to engage with empathy. I'd be personally affected by a shutdown, but it's a sacrifice I'd make for a long time if it means any kind of progress against the fucking fascist pedophile protectors in office.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Didn't Schumer already cave? Or did I misread a headline?

[–] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

IIRC, he's starting negotiations in the middle and is eager to give up even more.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Man, I wish Democrats were the heartless, scheming, cut-throat, socialist maniacs that I was told they were growing up in a Republican household...

The country would be in much better shape if it were true...

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Here's the thing, they are, possibly even better than republicans, they're taking the same corporate pro israel bribe money, they just didn't also align themselves with the insane neo Nazis, Christian terrorists, and loudmouth idiots.

[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You forgot the part where I said "socialist." I don't want them to be heartless and scheming if they're not doing it for socialist reforms.

[–] Tyrq@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

You are correct, I did in fact miss that. Shouldn't be trying to be thoughtful while I'm in bed trying to sleep 😅

And hell yeah, the only reform is socialist reform. It's unfortunate that the party is almost all corpo Dems, definitely needs more push from the left

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[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No taxation without representation. We know Trump/ Elon / Putin hacked the election. This is NOT the will of the American people. Cut them off of our tax dollars. They want small government so bad, see what they can do without revenue from blue cities/ states.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

To do that, we'll need to split off from the federal banks.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Don't threaten me with a good time

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

The Democrats faux concerned the air traffic controllers not working and not being paid, to kowtow to the Republicans in the last shutdown. The Dems had its members "break rank" who happened to be politicians, whose election won't be coming soon or are retiring. The Democrats will pull the same manipulative tactics. They won't be in this game for so long if they are not that devious.

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[–] FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 week ago (13 children)

The Untied States needs to just start over from scratch

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 6 points 1 week ago

The resulting power vacuum would result in something far worse. Our best chance is to revive this dead democracy and fix the shit that allowed this to happen.

I don’t think that’s possible though with this electorate.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Personally, I think that a future incarnation of the United States can be one nation, but divided into four regions, each with their own president and branches. Western, Middle, Eastern, and Outer America. The outer region is places outside of the contiguous US, such as Alaska, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, military bases like Djibouti, Greenland, and so forth.

These presidents can elect a Figurehead President, who heads the national executive for one term, and no more. Each region donates soldiers and other resources to the national government, and the national court is expanded to have an equal number of justices from each region. I am thinking about 21 justices - 4 from each region, and each president selecting a justice who represents their executive branch during the tenure of their president.

This would make it much harder for any one faction to have controlling power over politics, and make genuine collaboration much more likely.

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[–] kreskin@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

HFC - High-Frequency Caving

[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago

My pet rock can run things better than Trump is doing.

[–] polysexualstick@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everywhere could be better off without a government, not just the US.

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[–] whereIsTamara@lemmy.org 7 points 1 week ago

Propaganda from “liberal” media trying to calm you down. Fight.

[–] Marty_TF@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

every country is better off with no government ~~than the ones they have~~

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