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[–] SW42@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What a disgrace. I wish all Hungarians Godspeed in getting rid of the Anti-EU idiots in power.

[–] 87Six@lemmy.zip 28 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Uhh the hungarians put them in power ;_;

They are about as bright as the americans

[–] SW42@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

In my anecdotal experience I think it’s somewhat true for the older generation, but I’ve seen initiatives and protests of the younger generation, more progressive generation that are absolutely pro-EU - despite the blatant anti-EU propaganda that can be seen on almost any street corner when traveling through Hungary.

[–] NorskSud@lemmy.pt 32 points 3 days ago

With allies like Hungary, who needs enemies?

[–] tirateimas@lemmy.pt 46 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hungary must change its government or leave the EU. The current government stance doesn't adhere to the European values, and the government alliances don't match with the remaining EU countries or EU as a whole.

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 2 points 21 hours ago

They still value the EU funds they get to improve their economy...

Viktor Orban is a hostile nation asset and should be treated accordingly.

[–] reksas@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 days ago

why do they still keep hungary in the eu? why not add belarus too while they are at it. Clearly hungary is aligned with russia more, so isnt keeping them around kind of a security risk too?

[–] DevotedShitStain69@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I always hear Hungary fucking everything up, why not boot them from the union at this point? They clearly are an actor for a hostile nation, so there's no need to deal with their bullshit.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

There is no mechanism for removing a member state from the EU other than a voluntary exit.

And as long as Hungary is getting any kind of monetary benefits from the EU, which Orban can steal, he won't pull such a move.

Also his handlers in Moscow might find him more valuable in the EU than outside, so they likely would object to that.

Then clearly one must be made in order to handle this type of sabotage from a union members.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Maybe we could suspend their membership removing privileges and voting rights, while Hungary is investigated for compliance of EU regulations on for instance their freedom of speech, courts and democracy.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm betting a mechanism could be created. It hasn't happened because Germany and France don't want it to, yet. That could change.

[–] trollercoaster@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Any EU decision must be unanimous, though.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 2 points 10 hours ago

It can still be unanimous among the rest of the nations to be deemed legitimate.

Freedom of association encompasses both an individual's right to join or leave groups voluntarily, the right of the group to take collective action to pursue the interests of its members, and the right of an association to accept or decline membership based on certain criteria. It can be described as the right of a person coming together with other individuals to collectively express, promote, pursue and/or defend common interests.[1]

Freedom of association is both an individual right and a collective right, guaranteed by all modern and democratic legal systems, including the United States Bill of Rights, article 11 of the European Convention on Human Rights, section 2 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, and international law, including articles 20 and 23 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and article 22 of International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. The Declaration on Fundamental Principles and Rights at Work by the International Labour Organization also ensures these rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association

Hungary is undermining the EU at every turn, if the rest of the membership wish to boot them out I think it would be quite easy for them to write up a compelling case for how and why.

[–] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

There's no such thing as 'must be'. There's only as much as the member states will put up with. If the cost exceeds the value, it will get changed, along with any rules that supposedly prevent it. The only thing the rules do is set a higher cost.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

That's just not true.

[–] 52fighters@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Hungarians will have a new government in a few weeks. Ukraine just needs to outlast the election cycle.

[–] NorskSud@lemmy.pt 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)
  1. I truly hope so, but..

  2. it might turn out to be just a little bit less horrible.Β 

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Can you elaborate?

Several of the claims made by your paywalled article are just uncritical repetitions of misinformation peddled by the OrbΓ‘n government.

Magyar is not perfect, but IDK why the FUD

[–] NorskSud@lemmy.pt 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Nobody is perfect and I don't expect any politician to be. He's for sure better than Orban and I would definitely vote for him if I was Hungarian, because I do believe in avoiding greater evils. That said, his positions on Ukraine or EU integration are far from ideal.Β 

The article is worth looking for a paywall remover ;)

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 2 points 19 hours ago

Please take it from a Hungarian, you don't know how bad is it in there.

He is for tighter EU integration, and he is wishy-washy on Ukraine because he's being called "Pete Ukrainian, the puppet of Brussels and Zelenskyy" by all radio channels, all but one TV channels, 70% of all billboards, every state news broadcast, every local newspaper and so on basically every 30 minutes for the past 2 years.

There is total media capture in Hungary by the government, and you can't beat that if you let them dictate the topic of the day. The government wants the election to be about Ukraine and geopolitical 4D chess, Magyar wants it to be about rich people raping orphans and the total collapse of state services.

So we don't talk about Ukraine. It fucking sucks. We also don't talk about a lot of other very important topics.

[–] Melchior@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago

I am pretty sure Ukraine can last 40 days until the next election.

[–] kossa@feddit.org 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you can't get rid of a EU member all other members need to quit the EU and found a new one, without said member πŸ€”

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Starting a new EU isn't really feasible either since it'll be the "old" EU who holds all the trade-deals and other agreements/contracts.

[–] kossa@feddit.org 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If the old EU only comprises of Hungary, the new EU would get just the same trade deals within a day, I reckon.

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

Still need to negotiate and sign deals. It's not a quick process and some counties might want to change some things.

All in all it'll be very complicated and messy. Not really realistic tbh, but a fun thought experiment.

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

I get that 1956 was a while ago, but still...