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we can have little a sectarianism against trots, as a treat.

When has anyone here been slapped for criticizing Trots? That's always been acceptable sectarianism.

It is quite common among non-serious, fundamentally chauvinist western leftism. These groups are predicated on not really achieving very much and constantly shooting themselves in the foot through dysfunction - and the ultraleftism is a core feature of this dysfunction. They also tend to adopt mentor models where older members have substantial oversight and power over junior members, which of course creates a risk of abuse, so if the org itself is not very serious, they let themselves be eventually overtaken by abusers and those who tolerate them. The abusers will proactively "defend" themselves, so without vigilance against them they take over.

Non-ultra groups are not immune to this, but being fairly unserious seems to be the case for every instance. And it's way more common among ultras.

It is sectarian, .5/100 trotskyist groups would be a cult, same with MLs, and Maoists. 1:1 Gonzaloist are in a cult, same with Larouchites and Duganites.

You can call an ideology whatever you want, the fact is 0 Trot, ML, or Maoist groups are in a cult, because none of those tendencies are cults, they are the exact opposite: Marxists. Any tendency can be sectarian, and in different ways, and that's just the nature of the movements. It is getting better.

Like much respect, nothing against you personally, because I see this kind of stuff everywhere. We have to be able to criticize our own and other tendencies openly or else that is sectarianism, or maybe cultish behavior itself.

Produce an example that isnt like WSWS which is sectarian but not a cult, and I'll produce so-called ML and Maoist cults as well.

yeah fuck "west bend" i've definitely heard of "west bend" before and hate it.

idk about worship but some people think it's the most advanced form of ML because it's the most recent.

Shining Path was allegedly created and financed by the CIA to sabotage Alan García's social democratic government during the 1980s, as well as the efforts of the MRTA guerrilla group. This was stated by former members of the Peruvian Army (during the socialist military government of Velasco) and members of the guerrilla group.

Héctor Béjar Rivera (born 2 September 1935) is a Peruvian author, university professor. He served as the minister of foreign affairs of Peru from 29 July 2021 until 17 August 2021. A historical figure in contemporary Peru, his participation in the National Liberation Army in the 1960s brought high media scrutiny, in addition to refusing to call Venezuela's current government under Nicolás Maduro a dictatorship.

In 1962, together with Javier Heraud, Julio Dagnino, Alain Elias, Julio Chang among others, he founded the National Liberation Army which was part of the liberation movement of the sixties in Peru. He served five years in prison before being liberated by a general amnesty granted by General Juan Velasco Alvarado, who took power in 1968 and asked Béjar to work on reforming land policies with the government. Béjar collaborated with Velasco's Government on social and youth participation, supporting the national land reform.

On 29 July 2021, President Pedro Castillo named Béjar the new minister of foreign affairs. He resigned on 17 August 2021 amid criticism. Béjar had said that 'terrorism began in the Navy' and that 'the Shining Path was trained by the CIA'.

Héctor Béjar's statements of November 24, 2020, refer to terrorist actions carried out by right-wing extremist groups against the regimes of Generals Juan Velasco Alvarado (1968-1975) and Francisco Morales Bermúdez (1975-1980), especially against the interests of the Cuban government in the country. These organizations prevented Velasco from turning Peru into a "satellite" of Fidel Castro 's regime and pressured Morales Bermúdez to break with the Cubans. Secret US embassy cables declassified by WikiLeaks indicate that at least since 1974, terrorist actions by the far right began to be recorded.

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Fucking wild and we love to see it.

I always found Maoists emphasis on direct action and symbolism interesting. The Red Guards Austin where some of the only people in the United States who had massive rallies, proudly holding up signs of the "classics" of Marxism. Maoists place symbols over actual ideology, which attracts a lot of new people who are not as knowledgeable.

Beyond that, I found Maoist's outward presentation of anti-revisionism intoxicating. Maoists exceed pro-Hoxha MLs in the amount of criticisms of China and other countries they output. Maoists claim to be against Deng and other figures. As a staunch anti-revisionist, I could hardly resist.

After I became a Maoist, it was only a matter of time before I became a Gonzaloist. I was quickly exposed to groups like "The Worker" and their article's apparent concern for real-world struggle. I went deeper into the rabbit hole, reading Gonzalo, until finally I considered myself one with the "MLMpM" movement. A lot of it was peer pressure and social conformity; Gonzaloists flooded into my server after we started allowing them.

It was largely online.