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So now republicans are cool with the government telling businesses who they can and cannot do business with?
I'm not sure whether to file this one under projection or just good old bigotry.
Will this apply to existing accounts? Will they have an online portal to submit scans of these documents or will they need to see the original copy? I can't afford to fly 2,600 miles to my nearest credit union branch with my birth certificate in my carry-on bag. This is draconian and completely unnecessary.
I wonder if the goal is to push more people into crypto to prop it up?
The article makes it sound like Trump's racism against Somais and hatred of Ilhan Omar has a basis in fact and sanewashes his invasion of US cities by armed goons. Not unusual for the often-shoddy journalism of the oligarch-owned Independent.
One thing that is correct that many people posting here seem not to understand is that there is no current residency requirement to open a bank account in the US. Some banks will refuse because of their own policies, but that's it. You have to prove your identity, not your lawful residency status.
Yeah that’s gonna generate an absolute shitload of lawsuits.
Also, way to go speeding the shift away from the USD as the de facto global reserve currency. Jesus tapdancing christ.
this is their goal, they're trying to collapse the US economy. disaster capitalism is all that's left when all other fields are taken/captured by effective monopolies. there's no room for organic growth, just smashing shit to the ground and buying up distressed assets on the cheap
we have done this boom/bust cycle many times now
Draining the courts' resources AND make daddy putin happy, sounds like a win-win for Trump
I'm certain that suddenly de-banking all green-card holders will .. do wonders for the US's innovation-position, globally .. won't it?
Ideology masquerading as "thinking" never legislates properly.
Bullying idiots, with their oversimplification "reality" they're doing their bullying in.
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Corporations are not citizens, so all corporate accounts are toast as well, right?
Corporations have the same rights as human beings. Corporations are in fact, in the eyes of the law, people.
Corporations are in fact, in the eyes of the law, people.
People, sure. But are they Citizens? They can't vote, they can't run for or hold office, so it seems they aren't.
What is a superPAC?
Ooh, don't say that out loud, citizens united might hear you
In 20 years, we'll be hearing President Amazon's state of the union address, followed by a rebuttal from Senator Walmart.
Of course not, just like rich non-citizens will have exceptions made for them. The rules only apply to the poors.
Damn, thats crazy.
Did he release all the Epstein files yet?
no, but he likes to uses EOs as distraction from epstein.
I think that's backwards. If anything the files are the distraction from the fascist takeover of the country.
Let's pretend this passes and becomes law. Now imagine a nationwide call for people to do a run on their bank, and pull out all their money. Even when the banks try to limit withdrawals, it doesn't mean you can't come back at some point and keep withdrawing.
Not everyone would do it, but eventually the news would be running in panic mode, as would investors.
I'd imagine the banks would be keen to demand a reversal of the law real quick..
You wouldn't even need to organize some mass campaign to get people to pull money out. This thing will trigger a bank run all on its own. Do you think the banks have enough reserves to immediately cash out the accounts of every non-citizen? Sometimes a bank decides it doesn't want to do business with someone anymore and will close their account. If that happens to you, they send you a check with your account balance on it. But we're talking tens of millions of people here, many with substantial amounts in US accounts. This order, if implemented, would cause every bank in the country to collapse. They just don't maintain the reserves to cash out that many accounts all at once.
This is the end-game takeover part and it's all about consolidation of government into the hands of corporations. Collapse every bank but don't worry, TrumpBank will suddenly be there to take on all customers with the US Treasury backing it, funneling all banking in the country into one institution to consolidate control.
I've spent the last few years feeling like the old tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist stereotype, even when these things prove true. Even typing out this shit makes me feel it again. There was a time when something like this was absurd, now, well...
FDIC means you can't really do a bank run, the bank can just get its money back from the feds
Let’s pretend this passes and becomes law.
It's en executive order. Nothing to pass, and it probably will get defeated in court unless they can venue-shop and route it to a corrupt judge.
Aileen is pretty busy these days I hear.
If only people worked together like that, we'd do amazing things.
If your bank is legally required to unilaterally take your wealth from you at the whim of Trump, everyone with wealth will put it elsewhere. Historically, bank runs are much harder to stop than start.
The same concern looms over govts threatening to sieze accounts that belong to the Kremlin over Ukraine. If anyone does it, they are implicitly signaling to their other clients that their funds are not safe from political strife.
It’s long past time to kill executive orders. Even the times they are used for good, they are often legally dubious and live on the whims of the courts.
You can’t really kill them. Technically it’s just the President saying do X or Y.
On their own, they have no effect in law.
They only instruct the Executive Branch on how to operate WITHIN existing law.
The executive branch seems a bit... Too expanded if that's the case.
Well much of what he is ordering is already illegal. So passing more laws sort of justifies his lawlessness.
They need to go back to what they were originally intended to be. It wasn't supposed to be a way to enact new laws, it was meant to give agencies direction on how to go about enacting and enforcing laws passed by congress.
The whole system is broken and corrupt though. So no simple fixes for any of the issues unless you consider tear it all down and start fresh as simple.
It wasn’t supposed to be a way to enact new laws, it was meant to give agencies direction on how to go about enacting and enforcing laws passed by congress.
EOs should be considered dead on arrival and unenforceable unless they begin and end by listing which laws passed by Congress they're meant to enforce and enact.
The regime actually does this, sometimes, like with the illegal tariffs. They site the law they pretend lets them do what they want to do, even when it really doesn't.
The problem isn't citations, it's the legislative branch and the courts not doing their duty of oversight.
Yep. The courts could sort of solve this with a large rubber stamp that says “Nope”, but our court system has been replaced by a tall Australian Marsupial.
So what would happen to all of those bank accounts of people on work visas?
They'd go to corporate bonuses.
…or legal permanent residents…
Seriously! Anyone who thinks about this for half a second realizes the repercussions of only allowing US citizens bank accounts. Are we just eliminating immigration entirely now? Immigrants have to prove that they are financially self-sufficient and doing that without a bank account is... effectively impossible. Every legal permanent resident would be immediately unable to function in society. Most jobs require direct deposit into a bank account these days and won't issue paper checks. How do you even pay rent or a mortgage without a bank account.
It would be absolute chaos.
Women are next.
The voter ID law is a clue - anyone who has a name different than what is on their birth cirtificate. Women who take their husbands names don't need to be able to vote or have bank accounts, they have husbands for that!
He truly is the stupidest man I've ever heard of...and I knew a guy who boiled his sliced bread because the toaster was broken (true story, and he procreated...a lot).
So if someone is a permanent resident are they just expected to keep their money under their mattress?
Their what now? That's ICE's money. After the pulled the immigrant out of his bed, that money was just laying there. Nobody owns it, so it's finders keepers. /s
No need for the /s. In the Land of the Free the swine can just keep it. Legally.
(Technically it has to be involved in a crime, but ICE are criminals, so anything they do is by definition involved in a crime. And it's not like technicalities have ever stopped other pig breeds from stealing people's cash anyway.)
Correction, it doesn't need to be involved in a crime, the cops just need to pretend to think it might have been.
Just waiting for that inevitable heart attack…
I hope it fucking hurts, too.