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[-] FigMcLargeHuge@sh.itjust.works 170 points 10 months ago

Last line of the article: "Just like choosing not to ride on airplanes isn’t really an option, for many, using social media isn’t much of a choice either."

Holy crap. We have reached that point. As someone with no social media, it just amazes me how people have let these apps become ingrained in their lives. Sad in my opinion.

[-] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 71 points 10 months ago

someone with no social media

Doesn't Lemmy qualify? Well, it's definitely not paid.

[-] FigMcLargeHuge@sh.itjust.works 60 points 10 months ago

Depends. Everyone claims they are on social media platforms to stay in touch with family and friends. I know no one on here and am fine with the anonymity. So it's up to you if you count this.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 33 points 10 months ago

I personally never counted Reddit and am not counting Lemmy as a social media. Both Reddit and Lemmy are just a really huge forum which contains many subforums.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 26 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Forums are social media though. Social interaction, community building, content sharing. All is there. Being anonymous does not have much impact on that.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

True, but I think the big difference is that social media in the way of Facebook, Instagram, Snapchat, etc are tied to your identity IRL and include people that you actually know IRL, therefore are almost an extension of your life, whereas lemmy, reddit, and other iterest-specific forums have to option of decoupling from real life.

[-] MxM111@kbin.social 9 points 10 months ago

Interesting point. However, I think there are many anonymous account on Twitter, for example. Yet it is no different from others.

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[-] ericisshort@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

But you are still socializing with us despite not knowing our real names, so this and Reddit would definitely qualify as social platforms. Twitter was also mostly anonymous for its 16 years prior to Elon, and it has definitely always been considered social media.

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[-] Alto@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

In tbe strict sense, probably. In what most people would call social media, probably not.

[-] justhach@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

Last line of the article: "Just like choosing not to ride on airplanes isn’t really an option, for many, using social media isn’t much of a choice either."

That, and not only is not riding on an airplans an option for a lot of people, its their reality for a lot of people and out of reach financially. Way to be completely out of touch, Gizmodo. Couldn't have used a worse example lol.

[-] anlumo@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I think it’s referring to flights required (and paid) by your job. When a job of mine required me to be in Brussels in two days, I couldn’t tell them that I‘m hitchhiking there for the next month instead.

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[-] TanakaAsuka@sh.itjust.works 18 points 10 months ago

I think you're misreading it. In the same way as there are people that need to ride on planes (for example for their job, or to move to where they have a job, etc), there are people that need to use social media.

For example, if you own an online store you really need to have a social media presence. Same if you are an artist, and live off of commissions. I'm sure there are plenty more examples.

[-] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Also, Facebook groups are now how most extracurriculars are handled in schools, so if you have kids and you want to be involved in their activities you don't have much of an option.

[-] HurlingDurling@lemm.ee 8 points 10 months ago

I think the author might be referring to businesses who use social media to reach and connect with customers, however if your customers don't see a value in paying for social media they won't use it and it won't be that necessary for those small and medium businesses.

[-] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Yeah that's one of the stupidest comparisons that they could make. Transportation is a necessity, sharing what you're doing to the entire world isn't a necessity. I'm 37 and grew up with MySpace and I was part of Facebook back when it was still The Facebook and was only open to 4 years universities (I got in about 2 years after I was created).

I wouldn't give two shits if every social media company was destroyed tomorrow, including Lemmy and Reddit. They're just time killers to me.

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 79 points 10 months ago

I love the idea of paid social media.

Theres so few people who'd pay for it that all the social media companies would, hopefully, collapse and cure us of one of the worst technoplagues of the 21st century.

[-] realitista@lemm.ee 17 points 10 months ago

I'd pay some reasonable subscription, say $1 a month to the maintainer of lemm.ee for the promise to keep my data safe. To Zuck and Elon absolutely not.

[-] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

I pay like $2 or $3 a month to lemm.ee dev, its worth it to me.

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[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 53 points 10 months ago

Imagine paying a company, who sells your data, to see memes

[-] tacosplease@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

Fine. But imagining it is as far as I will go.

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[-] rikudou@lemmings.world 47 points 10 months ago

Well, Fediverse it is. When thousand people pay for thousand servers, it's better for everyone - no ads and no fees and the ones hosting the content don't need the money to survive. Some people will voluntarily donate to you, most will not, but in the end everyone is happy.

[-] GenderNeutralBro 26 points 10 months ago

It works for Wikipedia, which is probably the single most important site on the Internet.

It also works for podcasts, well enough to produce an enormous amount of high-quality content, both from independent productions and networks.

[-] Bizarroland@kbin.social 11 points 10 months ago

I just wish that Wikipedia didn't donate the money that people donated to it to other charities.

They recently donated a million dollars of their donations to other charitable causes and in theory I'm fine with that but in practice I feel like sort of tricked or betrayed and I just don't like it.

I refuse to ever donate to them again until they swear to never ever do that again.

[-] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

If it makes you feel any better about not donating, Wikipedia makes money hand-over-fist and absolutely does not need your donation. Their financials are public; they've been in the black for YEARS. They only beg for money because it works. It's gross and exploitative.

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[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago

*looks around at Lemmy*

I love y'all.

[-] huginn@feddit.it 21 points 10 months ago

... but also pay to support your instance. Don't be a leech.

[-] Arthur_Leywin@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Yo can you spot me for a few months?

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[-] darkmogool@feddit.de 27 points 10 months ago

To be fair, you always paid it... just not with money...

[-] Player2@sopuli.xyz 26 points 10 months ago

Yet another reason not to use that stuff, as if we needed more

[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Would you be opposed to paying to use Lemmy? Someone's gotta pay them bills. Currently it seems to be donation focused, but that might not scale. So what's it going to be Player2@sopuli.xyz, ads, or a "premium Lemmy subscription"/tax/due/contribution?

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

I refuse to be both.

You want me to dodge ads and try to scrape my data from your service in order to use it? Fine.

Want me to pay for the service? Maybe…

I will not support double dipping while pushing ads in my face. Fuck right off.

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

I remember when cable tv first started the big promise was that since you were paying for it the cable channels would be ad free. Well that lasted about a week.

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[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As in "they pay me to use their garbage?"

If else: "No."

Know what? "Still no." I already don't use it for free, they're gonna have to pay me substantially before I use it.

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[-] oakey66@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If they didn’t farm data and charged for it right in the beginning, maybe it would have lasted longer before turning to shit. But demanding payment while farming data is just insane.

Not to mention that they chose the absolute worst time to do this. They are just absolutely despised right now. They are either in the midst of scandal or scandal is just in their rearview. Why would anyone pay for this right now?

[-] militaryintelligence@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago

Not exactly. It's the age of stockholders, and doing what's best for them is the law. They expect unlimited growth

[-] SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Airline seats could be fixed if the gov had any backbone but social media isn't some essential service so good luck with it.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 7 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


On Tuesday, the Wall Street Journal reported that Meta plans to charge European users $17 a month for an ad-free version of Instagram and Facebook.

Meta joins TikTok, which confirmed it’s testing its own ad-free subscription plan Monday after Android Authority found a prompt for a $4.99 service buried in the app’s code.

X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, has its famous $8-a-month blue check mark (which also comes with fewer ads and other dubious features), and anyone who isn’t already paying YouTube is familiar with its promotions for the $13.99 ad-free experience.

There’s no word from TikTok about its fledgling subscription tests, but the comments sections on videos about the app’s premium plan are full of users who say they’d love to sign up.

This is a radical departure from the business model that ran social media for the past few decades, where you offer your eyeballs to the advertising gods in exchange for free connections to friends and content creators.

Over the last twenty years, airlines have found ways to charge customers for options that used to be free, including checked bags, seat selection, and priority boarding.


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[-] Pxtl@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Social media has a natural moat because what matters it what users are there. As long as social media sites don't federate with each other, there will be an evolutionary pressure to start exploiting and get progressively worse as your users are locked-in and you can exploit them for the profit of your shareholders.

Paying improves the situation because the users are customers and not eyeballs to sell, but still -- they're there for their friends and follows. If they can't get those same friends and follows on another site, you can screw them as hard as you like.

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[-] RobotToaster@mander.xyz 5 points 10 months ago

Facebook has been slowly becoming worse, I don't know if it's the algorithm just not showing me stuff I'm interested in, or all the people that posted interesting stuff left, but I'm using it less and less.

Reddit's quality has gone downhill, lemmy is okay but still small.

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