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This is the road that "pre-emptive strikes" lead to, and we should have learned that lesson after 9/11.
This admin is just so incompetent it's undeniable that's it's bullshit.
Saying an attack is gonna happen so you have to attack isn't a valid reason whether it's an individual or a country. And if you allow it, eventually someone will say that they can't show us the proof, then they'll stop pretending they had proof.
Midterms are the kind of the last peaceful offramp, and it might be closed.
and it might be closed.
I'll be accused of being MAGA/a troll/Russian/whatever, but it is. Trump isn't going to let go of his last chance to become the fascist dictator of his dreams. Either the midterms won't matter or they won't happen, and US opposition doesn't have the juice to do anything about either possibility.
Yeah most folks till seem to firmly grasp onto the idea that trump will happily and casually resign from his comfy seat...
He won't.
(Let's just ignore that if he does he'll have a high chance of getting locked up, and he know it)
Why would anyone think you're Maga for that
The accusation is usually undercover MAGA, and yeah it doesn't make sense. Libs can get pretty dumb.
preemptive strike is just polspeech for "unprovoked attack"
There are times when it’s a real thing, when you have good intel that your opponent is about to attack you. This isn’t one of them. This is a war of aggression.
And the US will always ignore those actual warnings with real Intel...for instance Pearl Harbor and 9/11.
same way Israel ignored Egypt's warnings about Oct7th.
Egypt's warnings? Their OWN INTEL, their own security services. They knew there was an extremely high likelihood of an attack that day and actively allowed it to happen
it took then 7 hours to respond!!!
i can drive from the furthest part of Israel to the Beeri in less than that.
the most technologically advances military, in the most surveiled border, in the most assymeyrical attack. lost. against a handful of hangliders.
i keep calling it, it's likely the biggest military embarrassment in human history. the kind where generally needs to be on trial for criminal incompetence which is paramount to treason.
Do you have any source on this to share? I am curious to know about this. I heard about the women unit of israel warning about it and being called hysterical by netanyahu's government.
published Oct9th in an Israeli source
still is first strike operation.
Well don't laugh to early.. you do best to hide the ol' skyscrapers again for a while.
My understanding: there was no imminent threat to the US or Israel. The strike was driven by opportunity, not threat. Ali Khamenei made a mistake, exposing himself by convening a meeting at his official residence in Tehran. US intelligence found out and informed Israel. Israel sent planes and hit the complex with 30 missiles within one minute, killing everyone who they could have negotiated with.
‘Sixty seconds, that’s all it took’: the clinical Israeli-US operation to kill Ali Khamenei
...and there seems to be no long-term plan.
If Iran does not crumble instantly, the 40-kilometer strait of Hormuz cannot be made safe for international oil traffic without a ground invasion of Iran. Which the US is not prepared for, and Israel is not capable of.
So, unless Iran has a revolution (very unlikely during war), Iran can threaten the energy supply of Asian countries and the income of Arab countries. The US and Israel can pound Iran from the air, but drones can be made in a well equipped garage.
In my book, that's called a stalemate.
Khamini didn't make a mistake, his location was definitely available for a long time, it just that 1) the negotiation was going very well, 2) they wanted a biblical date so they can justify it to their religious lunatics. 3) they waited for the weekend to control the market.
Nothing about this reads as an opportunity that they had to take because the plan was already in motion.
“No shit” — everyone else.
And Iraq didn't have WMDs.
They're so lazy and the public so gullible that they didn't even change the propaganda playbook.
"Yeah, we lied about Saddam having WMDs..."
aww they couldn’t pull off a lie as big as the Gulf of Tonkin lie, so they went with the Great Value version and just claimed it was coming anyway.
They're not even trying to hide their (very obvious) lies anymore.
Since when does the pentagon tell everyone their plans before doing them
oh right, never
Dear America,
I thought you elected you government in part for their promise to not get involved in any wars and foreign internal affairs. Then why are those of you who voted for them suddenly cheering this unprovoked aggression ordered by your draft dodger in order to enrich himself at your expense and sacrificing the lives of your young soldiers? Is your entire political identity based on whatever one political group lies about and cheats? If so, what you demonstrate is sycophancy, not a political identity.
Please don't tell me that this is about liberating the Iranian protestors. Look, I dislike the Iranian regime as much as any of you, and am concerned about the ordinary people there. But your orange dictator has shown zero concerns for the protestors, despite his deceitful performance to the contrary. Guess why the Iranian regime massacred 30K of them. His onerous farce was the provocation for that. If all that wasn't evidence enough for you, how about your killing of 51 primary school girls? I guess they were future Islamic terrorists in training?
You know as much as we do that the poor Iranian citizens celebrating your victory are actually in for something even worse. Your current regime isn't just a warmonger like those of the past. This one consists exclusively of racists, xenophobes and every other brand of bigots, who aspire to resurrect the dreadful days of colonialism and slavery, with the added horrors of modern technology. You're deluding yourself if you think this is about benevolence, love and freedom and not about plundering the Iranians' wealth and natural resources for enriching the regime's inner circle. And what do you even get in return for funding such destructive wars? Decent health care? Affordable food, rentals? Fair wages? What is wrong with you? Do you suffer from irresistible war fetish like your gun fetish? And besides all that, how are your other 'regime changes' turning out for you? Has a single one of your 'freedom campaigns' worked in yours or the victim country's favor, much less in the interests of the world? Haven't you learned a single lesson from the horrific tragedy you call 9/11? Are you sadists and masochists at the same time?
The rest of the nations all over the planet are worried now because your 'peace president' has destabilized the entire Middle East and possibly the Mediterranean. It has set events in motion that will cause a global recession. Aren't you satisfied with ruining only your own economy? And even if Iranian regime is destroyed, the consequences of that aggression won't be. A lot of innocent people will pay the terrible price and cycle of violence and tragedy will run its course for decades, if not centuries. Your wannabe Nobel Peace Prize laureate just lighted a fuse on a global scale powder keg. Please keep your demented megalomaniacs within your backyard. Or else somebody will lose their patience and decide to handle you along with them, and that will ultimately lead to an unimaginable apocalypse that the world vowed to avoid 80 years ago. Is that the legacy you seek? The same one that Hitler and the Nazis earned?
With love,
A citizen of the world.
MAGA is a cult (and consists of previously existing cults such as Evangelical Christianity). As Trump said, there's nothing he could do to lose their support.
Many countries are supporting these wars, death, and destruction as well (e.g. France, Germany, U.K., many countries in the region, Israel).
I know it feels good to vent, but the vast majority of Americans here already hate most of the American government (and the private entities that guide it).
And since you brought them up, Germany didn't solve its own Nazi problem. Help. And stay vigilant because this problem is not confined to the United States, the Anglosphere, or even the "West". We're just further along.
I don't know about the part about the 'vast majority'. CNN's polls always show a significant chunk, at least 1 in 3 Americans, who support this regime. Besides all that, check the comment sections of Fox News (I know how much you hate it. But it's good to gauge the opinions of the other side.), many YouTube channels, etc.
majority of Americans here
As in on Lemmy. It's not exactly a right-wing bastion.
You know what's up.
The latest figure I saw was 153 girls killed in that one strike on an elementary school.
This is just depressing. Why do these mass murderers always go after children?
Dear USA,
Fuck you.
Regards, World
That was fast...