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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 13 points 6 hours ago

War is a high stakes logistics competition with tactics thrown in to give purpose to the logistics. Rome was a logistics empire in the same way that England and the US were. Kublai Kahn was not remembered as a great warrior like say, Oda Nobunaga, he was good at war because his troops always got food and reinforcements. Hell, this basic principle is a large part of Sun Tzu.

Excel makes logistics easier. Every empire wants that shit.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Every time I read this meme about I reach for the big iron on my hip only to see the secod part and remember there was that other Cesar that people worship...

[–] TheHotze@lemmy.world 1 points 12 minutes ago

War... war never changes.

[–] Bopolny@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

I am glad to be here

[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

The reason Roman legions were as successful as they were was because of Rome's bureaucracy and logisitical efficiency. Their road network existed to allow legion and their food trains to go anywhere in the empire unrestricted.

Same reason that the US military has been as successful as it has in WWII and at least some part of the 20th century- it's never about tactics, it's about mastering industrial logistics to move any gear, any where, with a day's notice.

Yes. The Romans would have fucking KILLED for Excel.

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 1 points 1 minute ago

I don't think the guys getting PTSD fighting Picts on the Isles cared much about logistics beyond ensuring they had something to eat and equipment to use. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that Romans were a lot of different people but I just take umbrage with the wording (more from the OP image). The idea of labeling all Romans by the heights of their exemplars.

Like, the US has a lot of well-regarded universities but we wouldn't call Americans a learned people; a country of skilled doctors and exacting engineers.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

Hell, Napoleon put out a massive bounty on the invention of canning. The idea had been shown theoretically possible and he understood what a massive logistical edge he would get from the ability to ship food other than hard tack with his armies. Before canned goods war didn't just kill soldiers, soldiers pillaged the countryside (regardless of whose side they were on) for food.

People really underestimate how difficult it has been historically to actually feed armies. Even today the US is doing wild crap like establishing fast food chain restaurants in military bases and making sure that continental US food is available in South Korea and Guam to ensure morale is maintained.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Their road network existed to allow legion and their food trains to go anywhere in the empire unrestricted.

oh don't get me started. The success of the entire roman empire was the roads and infrastructure (also aqueduct but less so). You can trace the success and growth of civilization to transportation technology. Direct correlation, close enough and rational enough (i haven't run the numbers but I'm confident making an ass out of myself) I'm willing to say it's causative. The biggest change we've seen has been computers, and integrating that fully into transportation (which we still haven't done. because it's nigh fucking impossible to get computers and humans to drive together safely. it's almost like we need a new transportation revolution) will overhaul society. however we do it.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

because it's nigh fucking impossible to get computers and humans to drive together safely. it's almost like we need a new transportation revolution) will overhaul society.

Or we could just build a rail network and avoid the problem

and yet that doesn't happen. it's about time y'all start figuring out what will

[–] Grail@multiverse.soulism.net 18 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

Putting computers on wheels was always a terrible idea. Computers go on rails. We're failing to overhaul society because we're using wheels where we should be using rails.

? my 1980s car had a computer in it and she was great. computer didn't try to drive. it was just a little box the same size as the radio, just under the passenger seat. nowadays i don't even know where all the computer shit is it's how much of the driving experience is taken over by the computer. i got a lot more safety shit now, which i appreciate (i've been saved from a couple massive pileups in the fog because the adaptive cruise control sensors told me there was a car before i could see it with my eyes, even though i was already driving slower) but like, we agree with You that letting the computer take over 100% is bad.

the help computers give? i'm not going to turn it down. i'm a shitty driver.

[–] CancerMancer@sh.itjust.works 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Reading the comments above, I wasn't even done before I was imagined how to write this exact response lol. Guess I'll contribute this instead:

Roads are for local human freedom, rails are for proper logistics, which is where you want your computers integrated as much as possible. People don't realize that in WW2, most of the distance travelled by tanks was on trains, not by their own power which is very resource intensive.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

my favorite fictional transportation invention was by Jasper Fforde. If you've read his Shades of Grey series (it's the You Can't See Color series, not the Bad BDSM series, and actually good to read. my favorite books right now) it's basically a very very fancy conveyor belt that has higher speed lanes (like 50mph lanes) as you get toward the center, and all you do is step on and whoosh off from Reading to Cardiff. Except it's also made of gel and eats people if they fall asleep on it. Science fiction and stuff.

i like the fiction because it gets our minds churning about "well, how could we do that IRL? is it possible?" about all sorts of things.

[–] phuntis@sopuli.xyz 7 points 15 hours ago

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