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Ok, I actually want to talk about this for a moment.

Jonestown, one of the most infamous cults in history, with a mass suicide / mass murder that left more than 900 people dead of cyanide poisoning, hundreds of whom were children… was a leftist political cult. That fact is an unambiguous and completely undebatable matter of historical record.

This isn’t a footnote in the story of Jonestown, and it isn’t a weird anti-leftist gotcha either. Jonestown attracted people to their cause with anti-segregation and anti-poverty activist work, and they did actual, meaningful good for those causes. The People’s Temple was a leftist org, unambiguously. They created mutual aid networks for food aid, and rent assistance, and job placement services, and clothing donations, and winter heating. They leaned heavily on the Indianapolis Human Rights Commission in order to push desegregation, and led sit-ins and boycotts and protests. They participated in significant voter registration efforts. They led the fight against the eviction of tenants from San Francisco's International Hotel.

People joined The People’s Temple because it was a good thing when they joined it. They didn’t start out as brainwashed cultists, and they didn’t gravitate towards the leadership of Jim Jones out of masochism, or inherent submissiveness, or a perverse love of creeping authoritarianism. They fell in line under Jim Jones because he’d built a community that was genuinely helping people, and was advancing a political cause that seemed worth fighting. They followed Jim Jones because he earned their trust.

Jim Jones then used the trust and the social capital that he had gained from all of the above in order to elevate himself to the status of a messianic figure, and abuse and profit off of his followers. Slowly but surely, he boiled the frog. It was all good – and then it was mostly good – and then, well there was some abuse, but it wasn’t that bad, and it wasn’t really his fault – and then there was a lot of abuse, but the outside world would destroy them if given the chance, so wasn’t it the lesser of the two evils? And then, eventually, it got so bad that hundreds of people poisoned themselves and their children at his command, and murdered everyone in the compound who refused and resisted.

Your cause of choice is not immune from abusers taking advantage of it!

It doesn’t matter if you’re right. It doesn’t matter if your cause is just. It does not matter if your good thing really is a good thing, because there is always the possibility that it will one day be co-opted by a monster. And if the fact that it started good is enough for you to ignore that gradual, subtle change, you could end up in a truly horrible situation.

One of my best friends in undergrad got sucked into a cult. Years later, we talked about it, and he told me something that I’ll never forget which is, it’s only when you look all the way back at things that they seem crazy. You start off with things that are totally normal and innocuous: “we’re stronger together”; “oppression is bad”; “you can accomplish more if you believe in yourself”; “empathy is important and we should all try to bring more of it into our lives”; etc. Then, you move to something that’s just a little step away from that. And then again. And then again. And then again. But it never feels like a big jump, because it’s not! A -> Z is crazy, but A -> B wasn’t, and B -> C wasn’t, and C -> D wasn’t, and…

This friend was smart, and rational, and independent, and normal, and by the time he and his wife left, they’d gone from just thinking that we should all practice more emotional mindfulness, to being terrified that leaving the cult and the cult leader would literally kill them, via the cult leader having magical powers.

If your only analysis is “Where I started was good, and no single step since then has been crazy” that is utterly insufficient to keep you safe.

“This can’t possibly be a cult, because when I joined it was a leftist political org and there’s never been a single instance where it suddenly changed” is literally the exact logic that kept people in Jonestown until it was too late.

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[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 73 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It's such a modern thing to frame everything as a 'left vs. right' debate. As if one group makes all the cults. And if you believe that there aren't left wing cults, or that they aren't right wing cults, then you've stopped critically thinking and you'll be prone to falling for it. Thinking you're too smart to be scammed is how people get scammed.

Nothing about cults or their diagnostic criteria have anything to do with WHAT the message actually is.

[–] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Modern awareness of right-wing authoritarianism as a means of control has been abused by groups seeking to divide and control leftists. It's really easy to start an anti-racism group by creating a reddit sub, for instance. Then using nothing more than reddit algorithms you have an instant cult base to start seeding whatever message you want. This is not a new phenomenon; it has been going on for at least 15 years and has only gained speed on the fediverse. Polarization breeds radicalization.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 6 points 5 days ago

The only way to be too smart to be scammed is to understand that you are perfectly capable of being scammed and always looking out for it.

[–] Okokimup@lemmy.world 38 points 6 days ago

Jonestown hasn't been "in the room with us" for 50 years.

[–] Hackworth@piefed.ca 30 points 6 days ago (4 children)

This is why it's important to collect questions and not overvalue answers.

[–] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 4 points 5 days ago

That was delightful, thank you for sharing.

I shared it with a friend I met through a philosophy group who is having a rough time at the moment, so thank you doubly

[–] TangledRockets@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

One of my favourite pieces

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 5 points 6 days ago

Thank you very much for sharing that, I feel privileged to have seen it and I think it will stick with me a long time

If "worthless" answers are the only thing that leads to actions, the things that makes things actually happen, what's, the real use of your precious questions and crazy theories to the world out there anyway?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago

Jim Jones represents a genuinely curious piece of American history.

Someone who started out as a seemingly forthright and serious Marxist, who leveraged the umbrella protection of the Christian Church against the Red Scare tactics of the Hoover FBI, who adopted the utopian language and social mission of the Civil Rights Era, and who ultimately abused the authority invested in him by a congregation that sought real progressive goals.

I think it's very easy to look at the People's Temple, in hindsight, and proclaim "Well I simply wouldn't have been in a cult to begin with". Much more difficult to understand the political tensions of the era, the violence directed at organizers and civic activists, the horrors of looming nuclear war, and the economic realities of experienced by church members.

This friend was smart, and rational, and independent, and normal, and by the time he and his wife left, they’d gone from just thinking that we should all practice more emotional mindfulness, to being terrified that leaving the cult and the cult leader would literally kill them, via the cult leader having magical powers.

Social alienation, isolation, and poverty deteriorate the capacity for reasoning. This isn't unique to "cults". You can find the same dynamics in souring marriages, floundering businesses, and failing governments. The "Hitler's Bunker" moment can arrive for the most enlightened and the most canny, if their fortunes turn and their friends leave them.

“This can’t possibly be a cult, because when I joined it was a leftist political org and there’s never been a single instance where it suddenly changed” is literally the exact logic that kept people in Jonestown until it was too late.

What kept people in Jonestown was their exile from Indianapolis and Redwood Valley, California for holding unorthodox political views in the midst of a Red Scare. If you were in an interracial relationship at the People's Temple - a relationship that was illegal until 1954 and heavily stigmatized straight into the modern day, where exactly where you supposed to go?

If you were blacklisted as a Communist? If you were being surveilled by the FBI? If you were otherwise homeless, you had no personal savings, no nearby family who would take you in, and no career prospects outside of panhandling and prostitution?

And someone comes by to say "Yo, did you know you're in a cult? You should leave." Leave to go where, exactly?

For a great many people, Guyana was the end of the line. They had nowhere else to go.

[–] ChristerMLB@piefed.social 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

opportunistic assholes with delusions of grandeur will use whatever ideas are fashionable to do their thing. In the 20th century, socialism was such an idea

[–] backalleycoyote@lemmy.today 10 points 6 days ago

Justin Geever of Anti-Flag is a perfect modern example. While it wasn’t exactly a “cult”, punk is at it’s core a left-wing counter-culture community, and even if it tries to have a level playing field, popular musicians end up with celebrity status. Geever made a career out of punk spectacle combined with legitimate activism off-stage even if the band made it to the fringe of mainstream pop punk. Radically vocal about feminism and equality, dude was a behind the scenes rapist. Not just “take advantage of fans” level rape (he did that too), like “no doesn’t mean shit”, violent physical force applied rape. He also obviously had a plan for if he ever got exposed because as soon as he thought the jig was up he was out of country, assets transferred, hiding under a rock in a country with no extradition. It hit the punk scene hard because while AF could be obnoxiously preachy and obtuse, they did effectively sell their message as genuine, were a gateway band for a lot of younger punks, and the whole thing has led to questioning how someone like that hid in plain sight so long.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 14 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It wasn't a leftist political cult. Jim Jones started out as a very charismatic religious leader on the left, particularly with regard to race relations. That's how he managed to rise in national prominence and rub elbows with important people.

Whether he "knew what he was doing" in those early years will never be known, but he loved the power and control he could exert and his priorities shifted to getting more of those for himself.

At the end he was most definitely a paranoid, power mad, delusional, insane cult leader. But politics had entirely left the chat.

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

He also claimed to be a Marxist and frequently talked about socialism and communism. Reading his Wikipedia article, it certainly sounds like this cult was a curious mixture of religion and politics, and at times it sounds like he was just using religion to further his idea of communism. Hard to tell what was genuine and what wasn't (and which parts his cult members were believing, especially the inner circle), but "political cult" seems like an apt description to me. He even tried to donate his church's assets to the Soviet Union after the massacre.

Also very clearly an abuser from the start, but that's not mutually exclusive.

[–] qualia@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

For anyone who hasn't seen the miniseries Guyana Tragedy: The Story of Jim Jones it has an all-star cast: two Deadwood alum (Tombstone's Powers Boothe and Dune 1984's Brad Dourif), Star Trek: TNG and Roots' LeVar Burton, Star Wars and Lion King's James Earl Jones, and the celebrated Christmas Vacation and Independence Day's Randy Quaid.

Seems to be a decent dramatization as it starts out sympathetic then increasingly lurches toward madness. (The two Deadwood actors even sweatily share a bed in one scene, but unfortunately it's not what you think.)

[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yes, and North Korea has Democratic in its name and a single candidate.

[–] Pacrat173@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

It’s actually quite an interesting Topic but at the end of the day it’s all show the candidates are pre selected and while you sure can mark out who they said you’re voting for, you’re doing it in front of officials and placing your special no vote in a separate box I don’t have high hopes for the 0.07% who voted against Kim Jong Un this “election

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Once again, people, it's a class war.

[–] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So then are there any durably reliable heuristics for avoiding malevolent organizations?

[–] qualia@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Never go beyond A in the alphabet: it's a slippery slope.

[–] Hello_there@fedia.io 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

What was the cult your friend joined?

[–] drzoidberg@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Most likely a magat cultist. Those things are beyond hope.