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Bernie just did a YouTube video talking with Claude about this and it's good
It did change my opinion on the subject primarily from the pov that a bit of wait is good in corrupt systems as it allows justice to catch up and datacenters are not critical infrastructure - we can shop around.
I think the biggest thing, unsure if mentioned in the video, as far as shopping around goes, is electricity consumption.
Our data centers are inefficient as fuck. Give it a few years and building them out might not destroy the planet.
Good point and a market squeeze can move them to more electricity efficient remote areas like the deserts. Fuck off there lol
Nice, but obviously going nowhere.
Being correct too early is what being a leftist means, after all.
but obviously going nowhere.
If the only battles we fight are ones we're guaranteed to win, we'll never win the war.
Bring this shit up, even if it'll never get to a vote.
It shows America that some will fight, but that they need the numbers.
Being correct too early
That only makes sense if by "too early" you mean "before the majority".
And if no one pushed for progress until the majority of Congress wants it, we'd never get it.
80+ years ago Congress told FDR he had to wait "one more term" before they'd support universal healthcare which the majority of voters wanted and elected FDR to enact.
Stop fucking catering to the majority of congress, and start catering to voters.
That's how we win elections and make progress.
Changing politicians to match voters. Changing voters to match politicians doesn't work
Quick edit:
Sometimes changing voters to match a politician "works" as in winning election...
But we just saw how that works out. The politician doesn't do enough, that party's voters disengage, and the opposing party captures the entire federal government.
It's a bandaid that can work every once and a while, but even when it does there's no pay off. So turnout plummets in the next couple elections.
This shit ain't complicated, it's basic sociology
Can we modify the bill to include forcibly closing and outlawing existing datacenters?
I think people would probably be upset at losing access to their banking, Gmail, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, etc. accounts. Basically every big company website runs through data centres.
Don’t get me wrong, I have deep nostalgia for the “small web” days of the 90s. But if we want to go back to that we’d have to do a little more planning than just “shut down all the data centres!”
Would love if someone brought the infrasound argument to the table.
If the argument were that it poses a health and safety risk to people, it might eventually be possible to regulate them similarly to oil fields.
With this admin, I feel like that would be a benefit to their whims. The rich are in charge and they think we should be enslaved or dead. You'd be better off showing how many billionaire heads you could stack before they fell over!
Every person that loses their job to AI is just another person with lots of free time on their hands and no means to support themselves and their family.
I truly do not know what their long term plan is, assuming they even have one (bold assumption, I know) but it seems to me that having huge masses of unemployed people with tons of motivation and nothing better to do is like, the last thing I would be pushing for if I was of the ownership class.
Especially with data centers...which need to be connected to the outside world with sufficient speed to be anything more than miles of copper and hot chunks of metal playing with itself. I bet a handful of guys with some shovels and a dremel could seriously fuck up the productivity of a data center pretty easy.
I truly do not know what their long term plan is, assuming they even have one (bold assumption, I know) but it seems to me that having huge masses of unemployed people with tons of motivation and nothing better to do is like, the last thing I would be pushing for if I was of the ownership class.
Within a few years, sooner than people think, the sub-5% unemployment rate will be a quaint memory. We will hit double digit unemployment rates, as you are predicting, and the number will only rise.
Whether the losses to society are made up with some sort of a "robot tax," or UBI, or something else, will entirely depend on the party in charge, but under MAGA, those things won't be happening.
Under MAGA, social safety nets will be transactional. If you need government assistance, you will be required to work for it, and you will be assigned to one of the work camps, where you will be leased out to corporations as a Federal 13th Amendment Worker, called 13s (a system that will lead to more unemployment).
Further, personal situations like debt, unemployment, homelessness, etc. will be illegal, and you will be sent to the work camps.
If you refuse to work, are insubordinate, cause trouble, try to foment Insurrection, etc. you will be sent to the brand new, state-of-the-art prison being built right now in Guantanamo Bay (haven't heard of it? Google it), never to be heard of again.
Or, alternatively, you could always volunteer to fight in Middle East War.
This is for the good of the citizens. It is immoral to take money you haven't worked for, and working in the government camps is no more than a supplement to your public school education, adopting a proper work ethic so you can contribute positively to society. That's how regular citizens can preserve Freedom.
Work will make you Free: "Arbeit Macht Frei." How inspirational. They should put that over the front gate.
If a facility truly consumes resources at such a rate that it increases local prices then they should be taxed at a rate that would cover the difference for the community they are entering.
Around me it's not so much that the data centers use so much that it raises the price for everyone. It's that the state government wants their business so bad that it has agreed to raise the prices of utilities (water and electricity) for everyone living around the area to subsidize the operational cost of the datacenters. Our electricity bill is up 30% from 2024 and most of the datacenters are still under construction
I really don't get the kowtowing to data centers in particular, like I get it if they're payed off properly but when they aren't then why? It's kinda like the Noah's Ark BS in Kentucky where the locals gave Ken Ham the fucken world and it's brought in basically no runoff business. Why do local politicians do this, for all the money they waste on shit like this they could create local grant programs and spin up a bunch of local businesses.
Why do local politicians do this
Because too many people in the US only vote once every 4 years in national elections and don't pay attention to their local ones.
I meant why do they do this without the pay side of things. I get corruption since it directly benefits the individual but without that its just stupid. There's no gain and you risk making yourself a target if folks get pissed off enough.
you risk making yourself a target if folks get pissed off enough
They would have to be paying attention enough to notice, first. Sinclair and others steadily gobbling up local tv and radio stations has created local news deserts across the nation.
People notice their power bills and the horrid white noise these things make. Frankly speaking the propaganda only does so much, and just not acknowledging it does nothing towards the narrative.
I only found out about our county trying to sneak a data center in after the plan had already been withdrawn. They were working on all of it in closed meetings but fortunately some folks found out and when they brought it out in the open where the community would see, it quickly disappeared. Now we're all on watch for when they try this shit again.
Fucken A. Good for you and your lot, frankly the only way such a situation could go any better is also illegal.
This is America you're talking about....
Curing the symptoms and ignoring the disease
The disease is fueled by datacenters.
The disease is too much money in the hands of a few who only chase further gains, damaging everyone else
And you don’t think datacenters are involved in providing the money? 😶