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Hi everyone!

For my gaming needs, I have a Steam Deck and a Playstation 5 for now. They’ll probably be joined by a Steam Machine in the next year if the price is under 1000$ with 2 controllers.

For my admin needs, I have a few Linux computers running Fedora.

For my movie needs, I have an HTPC running LibreELEC.

Whenever possible, I’ll get my games on GOG from now on.

A lot of games aren’t on GOG though, so I have to choose between getting physical discs for my PS5 or through Steam.

For now, I can’t get demanding games on Steam since the Deck isn’t powerful enough, but with the arrival of the Machine, I’ll almost have power parity with the PS5.

I don’t plan on selling the PS5 as my son plays some Roblox, the NBA app works better on it than on my TV and I could want some games that Sony won’t release (anymore) on PC.

One day, once my switch to Linux gaming is over I might even give it to my son when hés gonna be old enough to game in his room.

So my question is should I buy physical games on Playstation, with the ability to resell them and get them on GOG one day for cheap, or should I get the games on Steam where they could just be taken away if Steam becomes evil?

Edit/conclusion:

In the end, if I get a Steam Machine, it’ll probably be:

  1. GOG when available
  2. Steam
  3. Playstation physical for their exclusives

Without the Steam Machine, it’ll be the same but I’ll have to take into account that some games are too demanding for the Deck, so it’ll be PS5 physical.

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[–] arcine@jlai.lu 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I was like you, and I ended up choosing Steam, mainly because I can play the game on the Steam Deck that way.

If a game I own ever gets delisted on Steam : first off, it's unusual for Steam to remove it from your library ; secondly, I would just pirate a copy if that were ever to happen.

Any game for which that strategy fails, would also never have a physical release on PlayStation anyway.

Also, Steam sales (or key resellers) are cheaper than second hand disks ; and I never sold any of my physical games anyway (though I might now that I re-bought them on Steam 😂)

[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 4 points 15 hours ago

Pretty much all steam games that don't have secondary DRM can be made to be steamless with tools like the Goldberg emulator (Disclaimer this project is meant for games you own and have permission to replace steam on, it's not a piracy tool, but you can use it to archive installed games). PS5 games are two decades out, at minimum, to be emulated.

Thanks to collectors and scalpers, the secondary games market is pretty much nonexistent for modern consoles. So reselling isn't going to get you enough to buy anything really.

[–] EncryptKeeper@lemmy.world 2 points 19 hours ago

I am a long time PC/PS5 player and what’s pretty much put me off of PlayStation permanent are two things:

  1. PlayStation implemented online license checks every 30 days. So year from now when they shut off the PS5 back end states like they have with PS3, your games will no longer be playable.
  2. Sony intends to lock multiplayer features behind third party facial recognition software globally in the somewhat near future.
[–] atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago

a lot of steam games dont have DRM (those that dont use steam features like multiplayer). You can buy a game, move it out of the folder to test if it runs, and if not, refund it

i know at least one game that offers an offline version on itch.io that is DRM free

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I'd say GOG --> Steam. Physical media isn't real anymore. Most PS5 games download an entirely new set of binaries at initial launch and refuse to run unless they have been updated. So the disc is mostly useless.

[–] arcine@jlai.lu 1 points 1 hour ago

That is factually wrong. Most games are entirely on the disk, albeit in version 1.0 ; you can check on DoesItPlay, they usually have the info.

[–] plutopos@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago

OP said the point of the disc is the ability to resell it

[–] evilcultist@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Even if this is the case physical used is going to be the cheapest.

[–] Creat@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As always "it depends". Especially with frequent and deep sales it highly depends on the title. But given that it has to exist on both platforms for this to even be an option to begin with, it might be true more often than not.

This might also be an additional consideration, that selling titles is an option for physical PS5 titles. Assuming the discs can always be sold and copies aren't tied to your digital account anyway once you play them.

Yeah PS5 physical discs, even if only holding data to download the game, have the advantage of giving you the ability to resell a game if you don’t enjoy it.

[–] warmaster@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

I've been buying games on Steam since 2003. I still can play them all.

The only thing better than Steam is no DRM (GOG). Everything else doesn't exist for me.

[–] LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Just get them on Steam and then if the day ever comes that Valve yanks them away from you it'll be morally acceptable to pirate everything you've already bought.

[–] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 12 points 1 day ago

This is the way. I buy games primarily to support game developers, not because I don't know how to pirate. GoG is generally preferred when possible, but I buy games on Steam primarily because of convenience and the other services they provide, not because I blindly trust those games will always be accessible, and I think for the services they provide they do deserve their cut, so I'm supporting them as well. I do also happen to trust them, and I believe those games will be available to me for the foreseeable future and if I didn't, my buying strategy would shift quite promptly, but I'm not blindly trusting that, it's a calculated risk.

I absolutely do know how to pirate games. This is not my first rodeo. But it's mildly inconvenient, especially for updates and sometimes multiplayer, and I trust that process even less than I trust Steam. If Steam were to take my games away that I've already paid for (and supported) you'd better believe most of them are going into the download queue. Some I might choose to support again on a different platform, some have certainly earned it. But I know what I'm doing, and I'm doing it with intention. I decide who deserves my money and who doesn't, and so far, Steam has earned what they get from me.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Some games on Steam are actually run without DRM; so if you find that out for some set of them, you can likely back them up as files.

[–] artyom@piefed.social -5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] LemmyEntertainYou@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not always. Some Steam games are entirely DRM-free and can be run without Steam.

[–] artyom@piefed.social -5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Can you download them without Steam client?

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

In a lot of cases, yes! I’ve run into quite a few. Some I’ve even been able to run through the browser, but I threw a couple bucks for the Stream version because it was the easiest way to give them some money where I live, and the other versions they put out for free. I think they just put it on steam for a couple bucks for more reach, and made it a couple bucks instead of free to cover the cost of listing? Or just to have a way to buy it easily. I dunno, but yep you can

[–] artyom@piefed.social -1 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

You're talking about running games you didn't buy on Steam, outside of Steam, with nothing to do with Steam...

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I literally said I bought the game on Steam despite it being available for free elsewhere

use your eyes and brain to read words

[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You literally said you don't run the game on Steam so the fact that you bought it there is not relevant. Use your brain to form thoughts.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I was just trying to answer your question but you’re just inventing things to make some stupid point. You’re bad at this.

[–] artyom@piefed.social -2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

My "stupid" point that the Steam client is itself DRM remains unchallenged.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

That wasn’t even your point, you were talking about another service.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

You need to scroll up because that was the exact content of my original reply. And here's yours for reference:

Some Steam games are entirely DRM-free and can be run without Steam

If you're running it from another service, that is not a Steam game. This is weird mental gymnastics to defend a multi-billion dollar corporation.

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, see, I thought we were just making up dumb bullshit.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 1 points 12 hours ago

I mean it seems like you might have been.

[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Steam Machine in the next year if the price is under 1000$ with 2 controllers.

Zero chance.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 4 points 15 hours ago
[–] EarMaster@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

2 controllers but no RAM, maybe…

[–] viral.vegabond@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

$999 with no RAM, no storage, and 1 controller voucher (redeemable when stock becomes available again).

Lol

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Tinfoil hat thoughts: at this point, I wouldn't trust Sony to honour the ownership of a physical copy forever. There's nothing stopping them from implementing a system that checks whether your account owns a license for the game that's on the disk, or prevents the console from launching a delisted game. All it takes is a firmware update.

If preservation is the main concern, I'd check whether the game is available at a 100% peg leg discount (as insurance against corporate-sanctioned theft), then buy it on Steam. Even if Gaben turns to the dark side, PC will always be a more open platform than PS. People love pretending that Sony is still the company that released this epic burn, but that was over a decade ago.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago

What's on the disc isn't even the game you play most of the time. Hell even the day 1 patch that replaces most of the files on the disc isn't the game you play unless you mainline it in release week.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think there's a mechanism for them to tell if you've got a license for a disc without putting CD keys in the box. OP only needs them to honor ownership long enough to resell the copy.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It would be trivial to implement on Sony's centralised infrastructure, without using unique CD keys. All you need is an account identifier, a game identifier, and a record in Sony's system that indicates whether the specific account is permitted to start the game with that specific identifier. CD keys could still be used for initially associating the game with the account, but after that, Sony could take full control of the account's access to the game.

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This would be how a business commits suicide, not to mention upset their retail partners that sell their hardware.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'd love to believe that, but I've lost count of how many businesses were declared by the internet to have committed suicide, only for people to keep buying their stuff. People at large don't give a shit, unless a change has immediate negative effects on them, and often, not even then.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Many games are sold on 1st party storefronts. Sometimes even indie ones, like Rimworld. I’d say they are less likely to yoink the game since they own all the rights, and they’re often downloaded as DRM-free executables.

So I’d check, in order:

  • GoG

  • The game dev/publisher storefront.

  • Some storefront with a DRM-free download. I noticed EGS (for example) does this for many of their giveaways.

  • Steam, as a last resort.

I wouldn’t trust PS5 discs though.


…But you should consider practicality, too.

In practice, your PS5 is going to be your most powerful machine until you get a bigger PC with a GPU. And FYI, the Steam Machine will not be $1000, not even close.

That, and launching less intense games on your Deck is way more convenient if bought through Steam. Otherwise you have to deal with some intricacies of Proton and controller remapping to get them running.

So the PS5 discs aren’t impractical. Steam isn’t impractical. They should launch for a reasonably long time.

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[–] LemmyTellYou@lemmy.cafe 4 points 1 day ago

PS5 physical and sell if you are on the fence or only play on playing them once

GoG if there’s an option

Steam otherwise?

[–] B0NK3RS@lazysoci.al 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is no need to be so strict so just mix it up and do it all.

Yeah but I’m kind of psychorigid and I like to establish guidelines😅

[–] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

None of us can predict the future, so we don't know which games will end up on GOG one day, but your plan seems solid enough based on what we know now and what you value.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I never sold any of my oldies goldies, so, physical copies just take space.

My prefered method is to generally buy games on Steam and if I consider one of them a classic that I might want to return to in the distant future, I'll buy then again from GOG and store them on an external drive.

I've been a gamer since 1985 and all games that still work from 1980-2000 are mostly ones that were pirared, had no copy protection, or had a really simple protection that just checked if you had the manual of other peripheral. i.e. the ones that can be transfered from one storage media to another.

GOG copies probably have the greatest longevity.

[–] placebo@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I treat any digital platform - and for all practical purposes, that includes disks these days - more or less equally. Realistically, what are you going to do if you have 200+ games on GOG and the company “becomes evil”? Download them all and store them on your hardware until the rest of your life? It would be easier to pirate a game from your lost collection when you need it. I personally see little value in DRM-free games because of that. Besides, GOG doesn't even support Linux.

PS5 discs have some advantages though:

  • Retail-store discounts can go very low.
  • Or you can buy used discs.
  • And you can resell your discs.

I'm in a similar position, and I simply wishlist games and buy them when there's a discount on either platform.

Well if GOG becomes evil, I’ll have all my games stored locally and I can do what I want with them.

While it’s true there is no GOG Galaxy for Linux, I think they sponsor Heroic and it works quite well on Steam Deck to be honest.

I might get pirated games if my Steam Library gets taken away since, contrary to PS5 or GOG, I wouldn’t be able to do anything with my games.

In the end, if I get a Steam Machine, it’ll probably be:

  1. GOG when available
  2. Steam
  3. Playstation for their exclusives

Without the Steam Machine, it’ll be the same but I’ll have to take into account that some games are too demanding for the Deck, so it’ll be PS5 physical.

[–] bold_omi@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago
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