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Tested: Microsoft just debloated Windows 11 Search without Bing, and it's crazy fast (www.windowslatest.com)

submitted 4 days ago by sanitation@lemmy.today to c/technology@lemmy.world

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[–] TheFrirish@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Pro corporate vote manipulation happening right here in this thread. This is not normal. Regardless of MicroSlop's good or bad decision if you shared an anti MicroSlop comment it would be upvoted regardless in tje past now quite massive downvotes. And my guess triggered specifically by the word "MicroSlop".

[–] pinball_wizard@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Microslop

For science!

Edit: Seems to have calmed down and usual vote averages have prevailed. Have to try again another time.

[–] truthfultemporarily@feddit.org 172 points 4 days ago (21 children)

Only bad management is keeping everything from being crazy fast. No reason for today's programs to be slower than what we had a decade ago.

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 26 points 4 days ago (14 children)

There's also a whole lot of abstraction layers in software these days. All kinds of frameworks, no code platforms, scripts and engines ask introduce their own delays when running software, all added to make time to market a bit shorter or just because of some tech fetish.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Lol, "the C Programming language is an abstraction of assembly and I for one, won't have it!"

Some of those frameworks and no code platform bloat are because of that. Most are there to make working on large multi team software projects feasible.

[–] Flower@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's not the first time one team makes a module with an API. The other team needs a few lines of data from that module but the filter in the API is bad, so just retrieve millions of rows and apply your own filter to get the two rows. There is no event trigger, so keep polling those two lines every second. Multiply with dozens of modules and a bunch of politics that refuse to make changes and you get a very sluggish application.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Sure yeah, this stuff happens all the time, and often persists until people start noticing the application being sluggish and they go and investigate and fix the slow points.

Alternatively you have tightly integrated software that only one team can work on and it takes years to come out and every time a feature needs to change its another 6 month job of reworking everything, and debugging and fixing security issues is a nightmare.

In most systems, not just computers, there's a tradeoff between a highly integrated and high performance design, vs a modularized loosely coupled one that's more adaptable and resilient.

Just look at automotives, Teslas have a unibody design that makes them cheap to build and low weight, that also makes them enormously expensive to repair and impossible to find aftermarket parts for.

Choosing maximally integrated is rarely the best path, there is always a middle ground, and one important difference between the paths is that it's usually easier to go from modular to integrated than vice versa.

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[–] morto@piefed.social 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I remember when finishing my dissertation and thinking about how my sister did her one several years before me, in a computer that was considered unusable by the time I did mine, and both the work process and the finished result were pretty much the same. I had a computer that was astronomically better than she had, yet, everything was slow, just like she felt when she did her.

[–] dgriffith@aussie.zone 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

The CPU in an average consumer PC can do tens of billions of instructions per second now. 10,000,000,000+ instructions per second. And then it can also offload some work to other devices. Here, graphics card, deal with updating this display at 144Hz. Hey network card, take this buffer and squirt it out the ethernet port at a 1 gigabit line speed for me.

And even with all that help, it still takes for-fucking-ever to get shit done. What the fuck are all those instructions doing‽

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 12 points 4 days ago

Mine are all used up to block ads and trackers and page elements, then when they're done, I'm being throttled punitively by the service because i didn't watch their ads :(

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[–] AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Is Windows open-source yet? Then who cares?

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[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 59 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Not surprising. Web search from the Start Menu was always a bad idea.

Hell, I've had to deal with users getting their systems compromised because of this idiocy. User typed 'ms teams' in the start menu, clicked on the first link and ended up at an attacker's page which mimicked the official Teams download page. User clicked "Download", received the trojaned .msi file and ran it.

Sure, there's some blame to go around in that case (and we finally got some default configuration changes out of it), but the fact that Microslop's greed led to a malvertising link showing up in a user's Start Menu is indicative of everything wrong with Windows 11.

[–] Hueristic_Autistic@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

User clicked “Download”, received the trojaned .msi file and ran it.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 5 points 2 days ago

Are we sure they did it on purpose? At this point I can totally see Microsoft improving Windows being totally accidental.

Sorry we intended to put in more ads.

[–] Snowwdropp@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What? How is this new? I've had web results disabled via the settings for a while now

[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 5 points 3 days ago

They need a simple toggle for it, honestly.

[–] wabafee@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

I don't know any company named Microsoft. Do you mean Microslop?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 82 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Cool, now do that five years ago

[–] marud@piefed.marud.fr 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Cool, now bring back windows 7

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[–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Linux does this too. GNOME and KDE both do web searches from the search menu by default (to be more precise they search the app store, which is on the web)

[–] dafta@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 days ago

Yeah, but at least in KDE, when I search for something that it can't find on the PC, it gives you the option to "search blah with duckduckgo in firefox" instead of starting a web search immediately, waiting for it to finish, and showing the results in your start menu in front of whatever you actually wanted to find on your PC. It's the fallback and not the default.

[–] Eternal192@anarchist.nexus 41 points 4 days ago

Microslop can still fuck off, too little too late.

[–] CheesyFox 26 points 4 days ago (3 children)

is it ripgrep level of "crazy fast" tho?

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

It's far faster. Ripgrep has to search every file exhaustively at query time. Windows Search indexes every file at write time (or a background job) so the search results are near instantaneous ... at least, that's how it used to work. I don't know what happened to it over the past 5-10 years.

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[–] ksh@aussie.zone 5 points 3 days ago

We all know the answer to this.

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[–] dabu@lemmy.world 40 points 4 days ago (5 children)

If they want to push Bing so hard I wonder why didn't they just show you the local results first and then asynchronously load Bing suggestions in a separate section. It would make good UX while still promoting their search engine.

Good that it can be disabled though

[–] OhmeHose@feddit.org 17 points 4 days ago

Because then you get no advertising moneyzzzz

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 13 points 4 days ago

Maybe the boss wanted the AI results to come first?

;-)

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[–] mrsilkworm@piefed.social 21 points 4 days ago

too little, too late

[–] yesman@lemmy.world 24 points 4 days ago (4 children)

One of the biggest Windows habits I've had to break is using file explorer to open documents and files. This was because memorizing file paths is way faster than using search. Search in Windows has never been good, because it's always been weighted toward what Microslop wants you to find. And the index goes to shit if a user does something unexpected like saving, moving, or deleting files.

Linux search just works. If I know the file name, there is no reason to open a file explorer at all. Just mash the power key and start typing.

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

The search was great in 8.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I use 'everything' by void tools for most file searching. It doesn't index content but I find files way faster and more reliabily than Windows search.

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[–] morto@piefed.social 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Instructions unclear. Now my pc is turned off.

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[–] IratePirate@feddit.org 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

"We've listened to customer feedback and started puttinf REAL tomatoes into our Shitburger again. People will come flocking back in DROVES!"

[–] Anonymous_Leaker@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

Oh, is it fast?.. I doubt it. Still background services sucking up all the ram.

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