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[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 39 points 3 days ago (23 children)

I once took an American friend out for a night in Manchester. His first night in the UK.

That dispelled a lot of the narrative of the quaintness of Europe.

There's this thing that Americans have. An old world ideal. Where they picture is all having two hour lunches and generally chilling about the place. It isn't real, just another dream sold to you by capitalism.

Sure, we do some things differently over here, public transport and the ability to walk places being two that I'm particularly fond of, but let's not rose tinted this.

The rise of fascism, or at least nationalism, is coupled with some awful working practices, mainly imported... And some of the levels of outright poverty, both urban and rural more than challenge that in the states.

This is just another reflection of the grass being greener.

You think Europeans are friendly? In my experience people are just people. The folk I've met in North America have been lovely, by and large and we have much, much more in common than this fairy tale suggests. But it swings both ways and we also have plenty of arseholes across Europe that would as soon as shank you as they would invite you for a chat and not ask you what you did.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 24 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That is kind of the thing. Americans earn extremely well. So when Americans move to southern Europe, they are either retired or have a great remote job. With cheap houses in the rural parts of those countries and access to public health care, you can actually have a pretty chill lifestyle.

That is to say: Capitalism is great for capitalists.

[–] adam_y@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I do wonder how much this is about moving from urban spaces to rural spaces as opposed to geographic discrepencies.

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[–] TheparishofChigwell@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

To be fair the UK is actually depressing

I'm from the Netherlands and don't think I'll ever go back if not in my own bubble on a holiday not interacting too much

Such misery I haven't seen elsewhere as what your people vocalize. And the aggression is off the charts. I have my hopes up for Ireland, haven't been yet. But england? Nah, seen enough.

Every hometown is "a shithole" when you ask about it, indoctrination is complete with even "soulful folk" proudly exclaiming the most dumb standpoints

And the ones that rise above that are just more affluent and turn a bit more quiet so as not to risk showing their own true colors. Hypocrites, behind the elbows we call that. Class consciousness. Not European at all in my opinion. I kind of hope nowadays you guys don't ever get to return, it's that bad.

I hope it gets better for you over there but where I live lunches can last 1,5 hours and work still gets done with a vengeance

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Most British people have been slowly crushed by 45 years of neo liberal economics. Its sucked the vitality and investment out of every town and village as the country deindustrialized and turned into a hub for casino capitalism in London

I imagine the Brits were happier before Thatcher arrived.

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[–] VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This guy is a weird spiritual business guru. This post isn't an observation on modern American life, it's one of his many posts that try to sell you on his business where he claims that he can teach you how to monetize your passions and not have to actually work

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Their intentions do not disqualify the legitimate point made though. As a European, the last time I considered I could maybe live in the former united states was around 1997. So well before it turned full-on shithead Magastan.

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[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 9 points 3 days ago

blue checkmark rule

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[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 131 points 4 days ago (8 children)

There are places in America that are like this, you have to be able to afford it though.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 98 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Yes, the naivety of OOP not realizing that southern Europe is some of the most expensive real estate in the world and that the Americans moving there are moving with hoarded wealth is hilarious to me. "Let them eat cake" energy

[–] Rothe@piefed.social 64 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Last time I checked there were actually non-rich people in southern Europe.

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[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 34 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

Yeah, give Mexico City a try. It's very much the same, only not so financially out of reach. You can get an okay house there for like $70,000 so you can buy a $2.5 million mansion. It's up to you and what kind of money you have.

I'm just coming back off of three weeks there and holy crap what a difference between America and Mexico.

Every street corner has foot traffic. There are shops every two city blocks for a 20 mile radius. There's a variety and art and culture, and everyone's just taking it easy. No one's in a big rush, even when their traffic is absolutely insane, it's insanity that's dealt with with a logical mind.

Culturally, America is 100 years behind Mexico City.

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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 25 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Or be so poor and in such a backwater place that time has no meaning.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 92 points 3 days ago (1 children)

American here - we're conditioned from birth to think not working as hard as possible to make money for somebody else is lazy.

[–] immutable@lemmy.zip 29 points 3 days ago

I’m in the fortunate position that I could tell my chronically ill spouse to just not work.

Took them literally years to work through the guilt of not working, the capitalist conditioning of work being your source of value was so strong.

Of all the things I’ve accomplished in my life, knowing that my beautiful, creative, loving spouse gets to spend their days not being crushed by the capitalist machine is my most cherished.

[–] wet_bones@lemmy.4d2.org 3 points 2 days ago

I had a friend who was studying Buddhism and moved to south-west Asia for a time. He described this phenomena as "it's hard to dry off if you don't get out of the pool."

[–] BioDriver@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I see all the reels of Europeans coming to the US for the World Cup and they’re shocked how nice we are, how good the food is, etc etc. I have to remind myself that they’re visiting and that yes, we are nice on average and we don’t all live like an episode of The Wire, they don’t have to experience our job culture, health care, car requirement, extreme weather, and batshit insane and corrupt political system. Yes this is a great place to visit, but your life here is very much dictated by the hand you were dealt at birth.

[–] Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Also these people are on vacation. People are in a good mood on vacation. They don't mind a lot of everyday bs. They don't really care of the food prices because they already spent a couple thousands to be there. Emotionally, they are in a theme park.

And importantly, they are drunk.

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[–] Damage@feddit.it 59 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Apparently I live in the wrong Southern Europe

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[–] YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I dont think i'd survive the American hustle life, where everything is a potential sale and money is all your ever taught to create.

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[–] cheers_queers@lemmy.zip 53 points 4 days ago (6 children)

i am one generation too late to get dual citizenship in finland via bloodline, and i will never get over that. i hate it here

[–] idegenszavak@sh.itjust.works 50 points 4 days ago (7 children)

You are not too late, you can still get finnish citizenship the same way as every other immigrant: you have to live there for 8 years, and learn the beautiful agglutinative language!

https://migri.fi/en/citizenship-for-adults

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

... and my entire American life has been an oscillation between being indescribably furious, knowing that 'it doesnt have to be this way' and then laughing uproariously at people being surprised by the astoundingly predictable outcome of literally every one burning out and crashing out.

This never could work, the way we do things... its inhuman, and insane.

It is no measure of sanity to be well adjusted to deeply disturbed society.

We're just now finally experiencing the part where gravity resumes affecting Wile E Coyote.

... but we have a very long way to still fall.

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[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Americans live to work. Other societies work to live.

[–] iamericandre@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yank here, I do not live to work

[–] Sirius006@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago

French here. I wasted a huge chunck of my life living to work.

[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I know it's not an everyone and everywhere thing. Just a general statement about the overall society and its culture. With the US's GDP the citizens could have a much higher quality of life than really anywhere else but they generally choose to have a very low quality of life dedicated to work. I've known people who haven't taken a holiday in years or would complain that if they ever took more than two weeks they would be hurting their career. It's depressing to watch the people who have the most cosplay living in a much poorer nation. Also yes I'm aware that the wealth is primarily in the hands of the unelected american royalty but I thought the second amendment was there to prevent that circumstance. Governments are meant to protect and serve their citizens and citizens must ensure the government is doing so.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip 38 points 4 days ago

Just got back from southern France. Yeah this lifestyle here is bullshit.

[–] CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Can… can I move to southern Europe?

[–] knatschus@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Quick reminder that if you have german ancestors that had to flee the nazis, you can claim their citizenship back. Once you got the german passport the whole EU allows you to be a resident.

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[–] GhostFace@lemmy.today 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

It's really just laughing at us at this point.

There is very little chance of most of us escaping to Europe. Every program that I've looked at for moving over there has been entirely closed within a day or two due to the amount of applications being sent in.

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[–] Dry_Monk@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The comments in here are largely centered around "How can I get out?" Or alternately "Getting out is not possible."

I came across this post last year, and it gave me the kick in the pants to get out myself.

https://crazypeople.online/post/6720157

Been out of the states since January. I started in Portugal and I can confirm how relaxed it is there. I'm in Morocco now and have met the most kind and welcoming people I've ever known. Very relaxed here as well. I don't currently have plans to return.

It may or may not be possible for you depending on your specific situation. If you are in the "How can I get out?" camp, I'd encourage you to think seriously about making it happen. Look at how you could radically change things. Sell everything, quit your job, and crash at a family member's house. The barriers are likely lower than you imagine, and the upsides are dramatic.

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[–] jtrek@startrek.website 24 points 4 days ago

If people would stop voting for conservatives we could all have better lives.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (11 children)

Americans, 20+ years ago I joined the Peace Corps. Extended, spent 3 years in a wild, amazing place in West Africa. Met my spouse, loved the experience. Strongly recommend. Over the last 20+ years, been out of the States for 10+. It's a springboard.

Right now, recruitment is down. A lot. The bar is citizenship, be 20-something (technically 18, but you need some something experience and not really fresh from high school), and don't have a totally jacked up body. You won't be doing shit for sleepy T, like how I didn't do shit for W.

You want Southern Europe? SE Europe is awesome. Albania, Kosovo, MKD, all options. Also Moldova, if you like wine. So are Armenia and Georgia, which are also amazing.

The option is there and real. Free to apply.

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[–] Njos2SQEZtPVRhH@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago

Capitalism exhausts the earth and its people. I don´t think southern Europe is excluded.

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