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Polestar Banned from Selling New Cars in the US Starting in 2027 (www.autoweek.com)

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Polestar will no longer be allowed to sell new vehicles in the United States beginning with the 2027 model year after the Trump administration denied the Swedish electric-vehicle maker authorization under federal rules governing connected vehicle technology, according to Reuters.

The decision essentially blocks Polestar from introducing new models in the US market as Washington continues to express national security concerns over vehicles with technology tied to China.

Other automakers with Chinese ownership have sought different courses of action. Volvo Cars received authorization from the Commerce Department in May, though the automaker said it must continue demonstrating compliance across its US lineup.

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[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 81 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

According to Polestar, the US Department of Commerce declined to grant the automaker authorization under the Connected Vehicles Rule, which prohibits the import or sale of vehicles equipped with certain Chinese- or Russian-linked hardware and software beginning with the 2027 model year. The rule covers technologies such as Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, cellular connectivity, and some satellite communications systems because of concerns they could be used to collect sensitive data from American drivers.

Just don't put electronic spyware in your vehicles? I realize this is a very hard concept for modern automakers to understand because they are institutionally stupid, but in practice that's something that ought to be quite easy to do.

Whether or not compliance with the law will actually provide them any benefit, that I have my doubts over. I imagine the real reason they were denied by the regime is just plain old corruption and this is simply being used as an excuse. But still.

Quit putting cellular modems in your stupid cars. None of us want that anyway.

[–] Sirdubdee@piefed.social 25 points 2 weeks ago

If I’m a bank loaning money on auto loans for a major auto brand, I’d only accept the risk if that car is GPS tracked so I can take it back if the borrower stops paying. If automakers won’t make it standard, I’ll just donate to build a ballroom so they’re forced to reduce my risk exposure. But it can’t be one of those cheap Chinese or Russian GPS trackers. It has to be one of those expensive ones that is made by this other company I loan money to. That way they can keep paying on the loan I gave them. Great ROI on that ballroom investment. I’m the best bank ever.

[–] BigTwerp@feddit.uk 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

Unfortunately people these days insist on being able to connect their phone to the car and use sat-nav, basically a car without that is almost unsellable in the current market. They could probably swap out the module with Chinese chips with one made in USA... If anyone even produces one?

Edit, I can't reply to all of you dumb fucks telling me what we already know about connecting a phone to a car. 1) GPS enabled sat-nav with live traffic updates does require an internet connection. And 2) I don't think Americans really understand how thoroughly your government has fucked you over; the restriction on domestic wireless communication doesn't need an internet connection, it applies to any wireless communication even if theoretically it cannot be connected to the internet (don't believe me, read the law).

[–] Robomekk@lemmy.ca 28 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

CarPlay/Android Auto doesn’t require a modem in the car. Your phone already has a modem in it.

[–] yogurt@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Commenters wanted BIS to define “integrated or attached hardware or software” to clarify whether software or hardware attached by a Bluetooth device or USB to a vehicle would be subject to the rule, or if the rule includes only integrated technologies. Per its definitions, this final rule is not limited to integrated technologies.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2025/01/16/2025-00592/securing-the-information-and-communications-technology-and-services-supply-chain-connected-vehicles

Carplay is also banned. The rule is fake, it's just pretextual to ban Chinese cars so it will always be stretched to cover any possible Chinese car. The US forced free trade on everybody assuming it would always win, and now that it's losing it's just cheating. It needs to stick some kind of bullshit technicality on the treaty violation so it can abuse WTO procedure to loop this case around through appeals for 30 years before China can get a final ruling against the US.

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago

It may not need one for those products, but I promise it has one anyway.

Internet connectivity in a car should be opt-in with a simple mechanism to enable/disable. No calls to the manufacturer, no dealer trip, no app.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

GPS didn’t need any form of cellular connectivity for the first 15-20 years it was in cars.

In fact it hasn’t changed in that requirement, and screen mirroring also doesn’t need spyware.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Still works great on your phone with no internet if you precached the maps for the area you'll be in.

[–] rabidhamster@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, have an old Tom Tom kicking around somewhere that's over 20 years old, I think. Worked great, you just needed to plug it into a computer every once in a very long while to update the maps. I mean, roads don't change THAT frequently.

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[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

basically a car without that is almost unsellable in the current market

You're gonna look really stupid when the Slate truck sells well.

By the way, your edit is disingenuously moving goalposts.

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[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

For GPS, if the phone has connectivity, the car doesn't need it. It just needs to interoperate with the phone.

As for telemetry, it is of almost no benefit to the car owner, it's a way for the manufacturer to aggregate and sell data. If it's just maintenance-related diagnostic logging, local storage on the vehicle would suffice, and it should be law that such data belongs to the owner and that there should be a way to delete it at any time if the owner so chooses, with no detrimental impact on dealer service charges or the warranty.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

You're citing something that absolutely doesn't require the car itself to connect to the internet.

[–] the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I can do all that in my car and it has no network connectivity.

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[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Or provide a module for plug in for your sales region.

[–] BigTwerp@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That's my point, I don't think there are currently any companies in the US, outside of defense contractors, that produce a module. It is impossible to comply with the law.

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[–] evilcultist@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago

That’s what really pisses me off about this. The same thing as when they forced the sale of TikTok. I’d personally rather have the Chinese collecting my information and not using it than having anyone collecting and selling it (though I would guess they are actually selling it). But they’re perfectly fine with any car manufacturer in the US tracking the hell out of all of us as long as China isn’t doing it.

[–] kugel7c@feddit.org 2 points 2 weeks ago

Cellular in cars as far as i know is mandated to have the sos function. Since 2015 as well. So that's not gonna be an option if you want to sell cars in the eu.

Now this regulation exists to make cars more profitable not necesarrily to make the cars safer but its still mandatory.

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[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m honestly more worried about technology with American ties.

[–] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Seriously. China is starting to look like the land of freedom and opportunity. (Which is terrifying, because it's also not)

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 17 points 2 weeks ago

Just fyi, Chinese propaganda is real. Once you start to spot it all over the place.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 weeks ago

Both the US and China are shitholes the difference is how close one is to which, I'm sure the Vietnamese have their preferences just as Mexicans do. It's one of those things where you choose your devil, ideally both would collapse alongside Russia but as it is that is still distant.

[–] Joeffect@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I have more concerns at this point with technology tied to the USA

[–] Barbarossa@piefed.ca 10 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Considering both are known spy offenders, best just stay away from either and go with Japanese, Korean and European

[–] dracc@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago

Fun fact, "Made in Europe" includes stuff made in Japan. 👍

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

I think all manufacturers make you agree to let them sell your data anyway.

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[–] Rusticus@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Hey Polestar, just give >$1 million to Trump's reelection campaign. Problem solved.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 weeks ago

That's actually what the unspoken offer is from Trump, and the Polestar board will be seriously considering it.

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[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 22 points 2 weeks ago

Yep. The only way American made cars can compete is by banning foreign made cars.

[–] LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago

Free market capitalism rules BTW

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

TIL Polestar is majority owned by a Chinese holding company. Only 16% is Volvo.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And Volvo Cars is majority-owned by Geely.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Is that true? Wikipedia says Geely only has 4.4%, 14.7% votes.

Edit: oooo "AB Volvo" vs "Volvo cars". Dang.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago

All they need to do is accept the mark of the beast. Then they can buy and sell in america.

[–] spaceracoon@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

American industry, logiatical network and economy is in such a bad place they need to resort to protectionism to block their people to buy better products elsewhere. Same story with customer electronics like phones.

[–] rafoix@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

Lets ban any business with foreign ties or investors from participating in our elections. No campaign donations or lobbying of any kind at any level. Punishable with 10 years of prison plus the business will be nationalized and stocks will be distributed by lottery to American citizens.

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