You get enough guns and your country magically become less fascist! JK it gets worse.
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Reagan banned open carry because people he disagreed with politically (Black Panthers) started marching down streets with AR15s...
I've still never seen police escalte to violence when protesters open carry rifles, even if they're ordered to, they won't because they're outnumbered.
And before someone brings up MOVE, that's what happens when police isolate one group alone and surround them.
To quote Boots Riley:
They got the TV, we got the truth
They own the judges and we got the proof
We got hella people, they got helicopters
They got the bombs and we got the, we got the...
We got the guillotine
But no oligarch ever just threw in the towel, without an armed populace a guillotine is just performance art.
"But no oligarch ever just threw in the towel, without an armed populace a guillotine"
I can only think of one revolution where this happened where it wasn't just one wealthy side killing the other like during the French revolution, American Revolution, Chinese Revolution, etc.
That is the Haitian revolution. The only truly revolutionary revolution. It now has one of the largest wealth gaps in the world and is extremely corrupt soooo....
Historically, untrained peasantry is no match for a professional army. I'm not saying arming the population is worthless, but the armed masses rising up against a non-figurative army of disciplined professional kills has essentially never panned out. That is a pipe dream, which, at least in my country, has historically been parroted by right-wing morons. They can make subduing them costly through guerilla tactics, but without regulars, it's just not a winning proposition. Every successful revolution has trained up a professional army as soon as they could, armed with something a bit more uniform than "whatever weapons people happen to own". The National Guard in France, the Red Army in Russia, the Continental Army in America, the People's Liberation Army in China, literally no revolution succeeds by just having randos with guns overthrow the government. A revolution will need either resources and training from the outside, or a man on the inside who can turn the state's resources against it. That is, respectively, (1) a civil war, or (2) a coup d'état.
The goal in such a scenario isn't to fight the army. It's to kill the people in charge of the army. We don't send all the soldiers to the guillotine during a revolution, just the king and his court.
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It’s not that a trained military is stronger than a makeshift opposition it’s that a trained military isn’t 100% effective.
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but the armed masses rising up against a non-figurative army of disciplined professional kills has essentially never panned out.
There's a lot that can be done with guns without overthrowing the government, but also I can name Syria and Yemen in the 21st century alone, and beyond that this is basically what Latin American Caudillos did.
The National Guard in France, the Red Army in Russia, the Continental Army in America, the People's Liberation Army in China, literally no revolution succeeds by just having randos with guns overthrow the government.
I don't know about China, but Russia's Red Army and France's National Guard both started out as randos with guns. Any rebel army will have to organize itself like an army, but what does that have to do with your argument?
That is, respectively, (1) a civil war, or (2) a coup d'état.
Revolutions can intersect with both of these things.
Also the red army kinda came after the revolution. The randoms with the guns are what pulled it off first.
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Weird how democracy and even socialism can exist in other countries that don't need to keep guns around toddlers?
There are also countries where the population are armed and don't have the same issues (Switzerland, Finland, Greenland, Germany). The US really is the worst of both worlds: an armed populace with no culture of gun safety & training.
German here: Most of us do not have guns. The ownership rate is ~19 out of 100, while in the US it's 120 out of 100. And we're also not allowed to carry it with us without good reason. Being scared of a blue haired Aldi cashier isn't one of them.
Most people in the US do not have guns, either. But the people who do, tend to have a bunch. This is what drives up that ownership rate. They've turned it into their personality.
It's weird how averages work for both countries. It's not like one average is more indicative than another.
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120 out of 100?
More guns than people. Some people own lots of guns, most people don't own any.
Yes. Some people have multiple guns.
At least Switzerland and Germany is nowhere NEAR the same level of citizens being armed as in the US. This is a disingenuous comparison.
At least Switzerland and Germany is nowhere NEAR the same level of citizens being armed as in the US.
Switzerland kinda is though. They usually don't have ammo though
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Don’t forget Italy and Czechoslovakia and Poland and Ukraine
Germany is extremely harsh on gun control, even by European standards
That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays there.
George Orwell
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I like living in a country where "will my nephews and nieces get shot at school today?" isn't a worry.
Australia had a mass shooting, we got gun control. Nz had a mass shooting, they got gun control. Scotland had a mass shooting, they got gun control. America has, statistically, 1-2 A DAY? *crickets *
Thoughts and prayers 🙏
While I was reading the quotes I literally got to donald trump without realising who it was and went "who tf is this illiterate inarticulate rando" in my mind
One of the tenents of the Morman faith is that they will have to battle an evil American government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_War
They already did and then promptly backed down. Don't worry though, they murdered settlers and blamed it on the Indians in the spirit of their forefathers.
https://mormonr.org/qnas/B3U7t/the_mountain_meadows_massacre
Another is magic underpants. A broken clock is still right twice a day.
Mormon history includes periods of armed conflict against State and the Federal government. They had to renounce one of their doctrines (polygamy) for Utah to join the Union. So predicting future conflict with the government isn't crazy at all.
Well, they did do that.
kind of self-fulfilling prophecy (i always knew this as the Mormon War, growing up in California. It was covered in (and the mormons went to war with the US government right before the Civil War) in middle school and that's about it.
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i mean, the fascists are already armed soo
Brought to you by the weapons manufacturers
And, you know, Karl Marx.
There is a dichotomy of gun owners. The real nuts who are right wing see it as a way to express and represent power. Those who are on the left a tool. THe right see is as a mean of displaying grievances with a system which they have wanted all this time but find themselves even more lost in. There's a difference in the owners based on political ideology and people who are entirely opposed to guns don't see that.
Commies need to be armed and ready because they never know which side of the purge they're gonna be on when it happens.
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