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I haven't met anyone who denies climate change in over a decade.
The problem is that the powerful don't have enough incentive to do anything about it, and average people aren't angry enough for some reason.
The problem is that the powerful don’t have enough incentive to do anything about it
They did proceed to deny the importance of doing something about it. Which is an untruth.
And next, they will tell you that it's too late to do something about it - another lie.
I have. They just don’t state it explicitly unless pressed on.
But they don’t really hold a deep belief in that “climate change is a lie”, it’s more like an accessory belief, like “oh they raised gas prices again, their excuse is climate change but they are just trying to rob us”.
What's up with the quotes on the 'lies'? 🤨 Is there a doubt they are indeed lies?
It indicates that that is the literal word that Ribera used, i.e. it's a quote, not a paraphrasing.
There's a doubt whether they could write it without being prosecuted by the incredibly wealthy people who are lying and the companies they are lying on behalf of.
Do we really have a problem with deniers?
Don't we actually have an issue with decision paralysis in eu?
I would say the real problem is people trying to appease climate change, which obviously doesn't work, you can't negotiate with climate change. These are the people who say climate change is real and then block or weaken any legislation to reduce the impact of climate change. People like the current German government who advocate for gas heating and combustion engines.
No, I don't think it's decision paralysis. There are two separate issues at play here:
So obviously you have stupid people still thinking it's all lies and we don't have to do anything.
The problem is that even people that agree climate change is an issue and we should do something don't want to be the ones that will have to sacrifice anything to fix it. They will say that we shouldn't do anything until China becomes 100% green or that the rich should first stop flying in their private jets. EU can't force China to do anything and doesn't want to tax rich people out of existence so normal people oppose any policy aimed at limiting emissions. But EU is doing things. They slowly improve energy mix and push green transition. They simply have to move very slowly because if they do too much they will hand over power to populists.
My guess is everyone (politicians and elites) simply hope general public will get desperate, give up and accept they will have to pay the price of the transition. Looking at this summer we're not that far away from it.
IME, the "deniers" are the ones too old to suffer through the consequences. Infighting is the EU's biggest problem. Always has been
“Electric car mandate is ideological madness”
“Biofuel should play a role in the energy transition”
Those are from the prime ministers of the first and third EU country by population. It is better I do not quote opposition parties because starting from “CO2 is good for plants” there is a giant collection of deranged statements on the topic.
Both. The deniers vote in deniers and bad actors who then are another sledgehammer on glass dome of carbon neutrality
But really how many are deniers? There is probably only a couple in the EU parliament even in national parliaments. That's not a real problem.
it is a real problem tha AfD in germany has climate denial written in their program every year and they are the 2nd strongest party in the bundestag
It’s definitely an issue. And the fossil fuel industry is working hard to sow doubt. And doubt always works in their favour.
We have both unfortunately
Definitely deniers. They are being influenced by the oligarchy to keep their outdated industries alive. They don't give a fuck because by the time this world becomes unliveable for the plebs, robots will be doing their bidding why they sit in their air-conditioned homes and shit. Climate deniers and greedy cunts are just useful idiots.
No shit?
Europe heatwave shows they need to buy their grandma a little AC unit.
Noooo! We need that electricity to power AI! And... are we still doing bitcoin?