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In 2002, Maine became the first state to implement a statewide laptop program to some grade levels. Then-governor Angus King saw the program as a way to put the internet at the fingertips of more children, who would be able to immerse themselves in information.

By that fall, the Maine Learning Technology Initiative had distributed 17,000 Apple laptops to seventh graders across 243 middle schools. By 2016, those numbers had multiplied to 66,000 laptops and tablets distributed to Maine students.

King’s initial efforts have been mirrored across the country. In 2024, the U.S. spent more than $30 billion putting laptops and tablets in schools. But more than a quarter-century and numerous evolving models of technology later, psychologists and learning experts see a different outcome than the one King intended. Rather than empowering the generation with access to more knowledge, the technology had the opposite effect.

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[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 hour ago

As a society, we chose to only teach ONE FUCKING GENERATION how to use technology and then went "well, young people 'just understand' technology, we don't need to teach it anymore" and then somehow decided to just give all the kids a fucking tablet or laptop and assume they would LEARN THROUGH OSMOSIS I GUESS? Meanwhile we are defunding education across the country to absolutely shameful lows. (yes, I'm focused on the USA - I doubt "Cooney Horvath" is basing this broad generalization meant to scare people into buying his books on a study of ALL CHILDREN ALL OVER THE WORLD) AND THEN we let tech-bro-oligarchs decide EVERYTHING related to tech for two entire fucking decades and are just SHOCKED they did the thing that was best for profits, not the children (whose lives it was actively ruining for profit).

BUT YES, JARED HORNY CORVATH, your astute observations PROVE it was the fault of the LAPTOP that the next generations are "INHERANTLY DUMBER" (feels like a dog whistle, I dunno for what - but it's trying to justify something, I can feel it in my bones).

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 7 minutes ago

In 2002, Maine became the first state to implement a statewide laptop program to some grade levels. Then-governor Angus King saw the program as a way to put the internet at the fingertips of more children, who would be able to immerse themselves in information.

As the great Douglas Adams once wrote: "This has generally been considered a bad idea."

2002 though. I sympathize. The internet was different and more human. He must've thought they were giving kids freedom to access NatGeo and Wikipedia.

...We were more optimistic about the internet then.

...But they failed to take into account that they were releasing children into an unregulated world of predatory marketer barons making millions hand-over-fist by hijacking attention.

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

and welcome to 'short attention span theater"

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Students aren't being disadvantaged by the availability or even the reliance on technology.

They're being disadvantaged by not being taught (or in most cases even allowed) to interact with said technology in challenging and enlightening ways.

Would expect nothing better than such jumping to shallow conclusions from the chronically out of touch rag Fortune, though.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

LOL what on earth if FORTUNE of all places doing publishing an article on this?

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 1 points 16 minutes ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

Fortune:

Making old people with money feel vindicated, justified in their ageism, and superior...after they sabotaged the next several generations for their own short-term gain.

Up next: "These top megacorps will bring back slave child labor. Could that bump up your portfolio a few points?"

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[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 58 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

I have a degree in computer engineering. I have been coding since the 80’s.

I learn better with pencil and paper. Most people do. Schools need to go back to that. Have computer labs but don’t do everything on computers all damn day.

[–] Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 hours ago

I'm 23 and got a CS degree last year. When I was in highschool my CS teacher had us writing Java on paper with pencil. At the time I thought it was the stupidest thing but in hindsight there definitely are certain benefits to it. The best CS professor I had in college was also having us do certain things with pencil and paper and he strictly forbid it being done any other way.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Educational studies have backed this up. You learn more when writing than typing and by reading print media than digital. The digital tools should still exist but you also need to use the analog ones.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I get the writhing because of muscle memory but reading is reading...

[–] michel@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

We are more distractible when reading on digitsl devices though. Perhaps with the exception of dedicated ebook readers.

In addition to fhat I wonder if eInk and actual paper are more conducive to prolonged reading as well, less eye strain

[–] Thorry@feddit.org 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Agreed! I also have CS degrees and got them before having computers in the classroom was the norm. We had all our exams on pen and paper, you would have to write out a lot of lines of code and make sure it was proper C in the flavor we learnt in that class. Most of our classes were all books, paper and overhead projectors. We did have classes with computers, but they were awful. Our class would be two hours and at about the one hour mark you needed to be sure you were compiling. The compilation could easily take more than 30 mins and if you fucked up or it simply crashed you'd be at the end of the class easily.

I have a masters in Embedded Systems design, so a lot of my studies focused on both the hardware and software. We needed to juggle bits and extract the absolute max out of our very limited hardware. We needed to know about how software could even work on the hardware and why it worked the way it worked. Why hardware shaped the software and vice versa. I feel with the billion abstraction layers these days people are missing a lot of fundamentals about software design.

I also remember half of our classes were various forms of maths. All of those the first year first class started with a variation of: "Forget everything you've learned about maths so far, this is something completely different". And each and every time it was true as well, blew my mind. A lot of those maths I still use very often and I feel like modern programming classes don't focus enough on those.

On the other hand, I'm an old fart and it feels very "Everything was better when I was young". So don't take my opinion too seriously, but it is genuinely how I feel about it.

[–] EnchiladaRaisins@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

A core moment of my life was when, late at night, doing homework for assembly class, I finally GOT that "The instruction is the data is the number". I would be surprised if students today have an opportunity to get to that realization.

[–] Crozekiel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I'm just gonna toss this out there...

You old fucks^1^ are siding with someone non-ironically named "Cooney Horvath" who, btw, is trying to sell books on how best to teach. Hoodwinked I say. Absolutely hoodwinked. "Everyone knows you can't learn math unless you have an abacus!" "They expect to be able to learn spelling and writing without a chalk board tablet? Preposterous!"

^1^ - Used as a term of endearment.

[–] spittingimage@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

“Everyone knows you can’t learn math unless you have an abacus!”

I know this is an exaggeration for emphasis... but people who learn the abacus method are faster and more accurate at basic addition.

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 9 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think it's tablets and laptops that caused the decline as much as what they grant access to. The conspiratorial side to me is dying to believe that the massive Gen AI push by the government and businesses is not only about the money, but also about producing a dumber generation.

[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

The body is just as much in charge of the brain as the brain is of the body, it’s certainly a combination of factors including how we are using our bodies while learning, writing is fundamentally human and intellectual, pushing buttons to type, not so much.

[–] kn0wmad1c@programming.dev 4 points 4 hours ago

That's a muddied ground to trend. People who can't draw can still interpret art, but I tend to agree with you. There's a lot about how the brain works that we still don't know

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

I make a comment saying the title here, like a week ago, and its controversial.

I say 'if you don't understand this that's because you're not familiar with current stats and papers'.

Look.

Everybody is scrambling to actually explain the causal mechanism(s).

... The observed effect though, is so broad and obvious and undeniable, that that's why everyone is scrambling to try and explain it.

Personally, my inclination is that for-profit, advertisement-oriented social media apps are the 'cigarettes' of the digital age... because they are literally precision designed to hijack your attention, cause addiction via hijacking your dopamine/reward neurochemistry, prey on and exploit all your innate/subconscious insecurities, and they reward and amplify convenience, outrage and excess.

But that's just a hypothesis. Again, what's undeniable is that... we have, broadly, peaked.

Unless of course we can figure out how to reverse that, and then actually implement whatever needs to be done, to actually reverse it.

[–] Bacano@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Fully back up your theory for the main cause. Screen time has vastly taken over the times of students as their brains are developing and by and large it feeds the least enriching, least challenging content as it has the highest propensity for addiction (under the guise of user retention)

I predict we'll view this experiment with the same confused disgust as we do when we hear that doctors used to prescribe cocaine for pretty much anything. The software engineers who aided any of this are going to be ashamed of their work.

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

i can’t imagine that forcing kids to go to school during a pandemic where a disease spread whose long-term effects include cognitive impairment had a good impact either

[–] iocase@lemmy.zip 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The dark ages didn't begin because the library of Alexandria fell, but because it was allowed to fall.

This is fundamentally our fault

I say we're already in a modern dark age, not because of lack of knowledge to pass around but the omnipresent nature of it now a days with so much being fabrications. We started giving kids access to tech as their mind developed and we're seeing it has highly negative consequences on unfettered use.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 201 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (21 children)

Mostly posting this because holy shit what a jump to blame schools distributing laptops being the cause and not psychologically addictive social media algorithms having a total domination of their attention

Definitely nothing to do with the fact that schools giving out laptops disproportionately benefits less wealthier families

[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 56 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

Giving kids laptops was a great idea. Letting corporations use those laptops to brainwash our children was probably not.

The issue was not being willing or able to curate their online experiences when given computers.

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[–] FishFace@piefed.social 15 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

So the interesting line for me, that many comments obviously didn't read, is:

Horvath noted not only dipping test scores, but also a stark correlation in scores and time spent on computers in school

So there clearly is something up with computers in school. But this doesn't exclude the possibility that the kids who are getting their brains fucked by addictive algorithms are then more likely to fuck about on school computers. This line:

Horvath blamed this tendency to get off-track as a key contributor to technology hindering learning.

Suggests it's not "tech" but "distractions enabled by tech" which is having the effect, i.e. if school laptops and tablets were locked down you wouldn't see as much of an effect.

[–] mirshafie@europe.pub 2 points 3 hours ago

Lots of tech is also badly designed honestly. I know it's the main reason I'm on Linux. I'm not a programmer, I'm just very easily distracted so I benefit from keyboard-driven applications with no weird attention-grabbing banners or blinking text or obnoxious sounds. I need a consistent design language or I can feel my blood pressure spike. I'm sure the same is true for most people just to a much less noticeable extent.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

One of my first forays into computer science was learning how to bypass the various school firewalls in grade school lol

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