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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has been bandied about as a potential “socialist” candidate for the Democratic nomination for the 2028 Presidential race. She is a member of our own organization, Democratic Socialists of America, and her positions are widely seen as representative of our own in the eyes of many. Many of our comrades, for whatever reason, seem adamant that she enter the contest in 2028, and we commit time and resources to her run. This is a very bad idea for a myriad of reasons.

First, AOC is not a socialist. She is a social democrat. A socialist, in the Marxist sense, is one who fights for the dictatorship of the proletariat, and the overthrow of the ruling class. In essence, a socialist puts the working class, the proletariat, in the driver’s seat, and does not see co-governance with the bourgeoisie as an ideal. This is not a purity test, this is the ABCs of Marxism. Without a firm foundation in Marxism, there is no socialism, no socialist party, no anything. To turn away from this foundation is to vulgarize and throw away centuries of class struggle and theoretical understanding purchased with the blood of millions of workers at home and abroad. AOC has identified her idea of socialism as a strong welfare state, akin to European monarchies such as Norway, Denmark, and the UK. Socialism deals with the question of power, class power, not individual power. Communists center our organizing around the struggle of power, in which our class must come out victorious. Failure to recognize this leads to opportunism and the continued march of imperialism across the world. It is a bourgeois habit to see power for celebrity politicians as being power for our class. Does AOC serve the people and our organization, or does she serve herself? If we endorse and work for her, will it be for the proletariat, the global proletariat, or will it be for the aggrandizement of a politician and a handful of connected people on her staff and in her circle? Is this proletarian politics? No.

Secondly, American imperialism will never let an actual socialist manage its affairs. In this country, real socialists, usually Black, do not get invitations to conferences in Munich, or the Met Gala, they get driven into exile, imprisoned, railroaded, driven insane, and shot dead. Imperialism is masterful when it comes to capturing energy and channeling it back towards dead ends, and centrists are already circling like vultures. The consequence of a few primary defeats will most likely be a call to endorse Gavin Newsom or whatever other ghoul rears their head for the nomination, in exchange for a trifling cabinet seat. This will not benefit DSA, it will embarrass us in front of the masses, and will serve to carry us down the road of right opportunism, when we need to be standing in front of the movement. Running a candidate, seriously, for the head of the US empire, as a Democrat, is a recipe for confusion and hypocrisy. Our task is to dismantle this empire, not seek to put one of our members at the head of it. America will never cease to manufacture death, it will never cease to exist on stolen land, it will never cease to steal and commit every type of crime the world over. Failure to understand this is failure to understand America, failure to understand America means that you are not a political actor, you are simply a rudderless boat tossed and turned on an ocean of blood.

Thirdly, continued waffling on Palestine. DSA should not make a habit of rewarding bad behavior with labor and endorsements. After announcing, to great fanfare, at a forum the other day that she intended to rectify her previous positions which attracted criticism, she went on to declare that she sees Israel as an ally and vomited up more soft Zionist slop. Israel still has the right to an Iron Dome, and to exist, it should just pay for it itself! Palestine is the compass, the North Star, not a “side issue” about which you can lie to the people to extract an endorsement. Instead of humbly accepting criticism from comrades in the organization that she continues to demand labor and endorsement from, and actually doing better, she habitually lashes out at comrades who seek to hold her accountable. This is the behavior of bourgeois politicians, not a people’s tribune.

In short, no, we should not endorse AOC for either Congress or a hypothetical run for President. Raise up proletarian politics and abandon mimicking the bourgeoisie with a socialist veneer. Cast away opportunist illusions, prepare for struggle.

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[–] DasRav@hexbear.net 7 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

If she wins she will take off the mask and reveal to have been Obama the entire time.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 7 points 19 hours ago

We should anticipate that she will not just be Obama 2.0. She's going to have legitimately more progressive domestic and foreign policy than he did. She's not going to be FDR 2.0 either, but some kind of middle ground that legitimately undercuts a lot of revolutionary organizing and energy that's on the upswell in this country. The bourgeoisie, I think, will be willing to accept the compromise if the next two years feature escalating unrest. It's worked out for them before, after all.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 20 hours ago

Depends if there is better candidate or not

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 19 hours ago

Where did you see she said Israel was an ally? She voted against a bill to end the agression on Palestine because it also included millions if not billions in aid to Israel. She said she wasn't giving them money to stop doing something they shouldn't be doing in the first place. Had she voted for it they would have just taken the money and manufactured some crisis to which the response was more war.

I don't gaf who the candidates are at this point as long as they hate Israel. I'd vote for Thomas Massie over any dem at this point just to be rid of that parasitic scourge of a country.

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 3 points 21 hours ago

I don't really care, it'll probably work, just don't squander it.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Somehow I don't think DSA will need to bother either way; I have a rising suspicion AOC will screw up an easy lay-up election, even if it isn't Trump she's facing. Something will happen in the latter half of 2027 or early 2028 that will make her unviable, at least for libs

She's a terrible politician just on competency grounds alone; she has terrible instincts, the social media presence of a boomer politician, a persistent inclination toward cowardice and is led around the nose by Warrenite staffers

She has no steel in her spine; the minute the DNC leans on her, she'll snap, and we'll see the "She's working tirelessly for a ceasefire" version of AOC again

[–] Kefla@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago

Yeah I think you've nailed it. She's not a principled socialist and she's not good at being a politician. She's gonna get steamrolled by the weight of the DNC behind fuckin Pete Buttigieg or Kamala Harris again or some other completely unapologetic ghoul.

[–] MarxMadness@hexbear.net 34 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I'd say you make a public statement that your support is conditional on maybe two pledges, for example:

  1. End U.S. aid to Isrsel.
  2. Forgive all student loan debt for the entirety of your term.

Pick one foreign and one domestic. Make them big demands, make them popular, make them simple, and make them something the president directly controls.

  • If she pledges to do those things at all, you've shown your organization is a major influence at the highest levels of national politics, which is useful for all sorts of things.
  • If she refuses, you've forced her to tell the public where she really stands, and you distinguish socialists from the Democratic Party.
  • If she pledges and wins, you can take part of the credit whether she actually does anything towards them.
  • If she pledges and loses, you learn something about what needs to be done going forward.
  • If she wins and doesn't follow through, you radicalize some of the people who voted for her.
  • If she wins and follows through even partially, you've gotten at least part of what you want.
[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

If she wins and doesn't follow through, you radicalize some of the people who voted for her.

AOC is popular af with the normies, I think this would lead to disengaged apathy rather than marxists and anarchists. It's not the same thing as Kamala building her entire career on offering nothing and failing to give us even that.

[–] MarxMadness@hexbear.net 4 points 21 hours ago

On the other hand, the last time someone ran to the left of most Democrats, won, and then largely failed to deliver (Obama), I think that led pretty directly to the revival of interest in socialism that started around the time of the 2016 Bernie campaign.

[–] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Could a president unilaterally declare Israel a "state sponsor of terror"? I bet various other sanction methods are available without Congress. She could certainly tariff them 10000%

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 5 points 22 hours ago

I do believe that is something the president can unilaterally do.

Also remember that our relationship with Israel is illegal under US law. We have domestic laws on the books to prevent us from supporting countries committing genocide. And the president controls the Justice and State departments responsible for enforcing those laws.

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Netanyahu already said iϟϟntreal wants to stop receiving financial aid for arms from the US and can pay for its own weapons. "Ending aid" will not achieve anything and isn't enough. The principled demand must be to designate iϟϟntreal an enemy state.

[–] mrdown@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

I think netenyahu is bullshitting here. I don't think anything can replace the usa support for it's colonization of the middle east

[–] CommunistCuddlefish@hexbear.net 5 points 20 hours ago

I heard it's a shell game. Deny money for weapons, take increased money to subsidize other projects, use the money saved on those to buy the weapons

[–] free_casc@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago

Netanyahu already said iϟϟntreal wants to stop receiving financial aid for arms from the US

I'm not really taking this at face value, he has every reason to stand up there and lie and keep receiving aid anyway.

The principled demand must be to designate iϟϟntreal an enemy state.

All well and good, I personally fully agree of course, but this is not going to be on the table for an AOC presidential candidacy. This being c/electoralism, the scope of our discussion is going to have a lot to do with what we can expect to extract from the bourgeois system. It's lib as hell ofc (cause it's the electoralism comm), which also means that doing the right thing (crushing capitalism on the first day in office) is a losing strategy. Even AES states preserve relations with Israel, and I have no expectation that a "socialist US" (beyond an AOC presidency, I mean) would be leading the way on this.

Then again, if President AOC were to cut ALL aid to Israel (perhaps under pressure from the DSA), the Israeli state as we know it would certainly going to collapse due to its own fascism. At that point it won't really matter if they are designated as an enemy.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago

adopt Netanyahu & biden policies as a demand of socdemery party 🥀🥀🥀 i’ve seen enough, send her in

[–] Speaker@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm sure they'll all wring their hands when the story about her hakenkreuz tattoo coverup comes out.

[–] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago

doggirl-lol this made me cackle so hard my wife thought I was choking.

[–] peeonyou@hexbear.net 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

for some reason, i remembered just yesterday that "tax the rich" dress that she wore to the ultra-wealthy snobparty that drummed up so much lib support however many years ago.. what a goddamn joke

[–] Lenins_Dumbbell@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 day ago

To many, that was what broke the camel' bacik.

She went to Met Gala or something wearing a "tax the rich" dress while the underpaid and overworked designers were protesting for better conditions outside the venue.

SocDem politicians are a joke. Idk how they have any popularity at all.

[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 21 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Then I hope she loses. Her Hitler is working tirelessly to end the genocide comments were unforgivable

[–] dkr567@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

And then if she somehow even sniffs the election and win, stubborn DSA people will get mad when she inevitably does the exact same shit that Trump/Biden/Obungler/etc. does.

[–] homhom9000@hexbear.net 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Then claim it as an ultimate win for the left.

some say she's still cooking up a ceasefire to this day

[–] ClimateStalin@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

Setting aside whether it would be good or bad for a second, she is currently the front runner for President in 2028. No one else on the Dem side has any fucking motion and even Kamala Harris wouldn’t be able to lose this general.

Like, who’s the competition gonna be? The only serious one is Gav, and imo he has no shot outside of California, he’s like the Dem version of DeSantis.

She has some of the highest name recognition and approval ratings in the country. The base hates the party and she’s seen as an outsider. And the party elite is seemingly in disarray. It feels like a long shot but also feels more possible than any other option.

[–] PKMKII@hexbear.net 12 points 1 day ago

They shouldn’t, and it’s not even a question of AOC’s policies/tactics. As much as they get a lot of press attention these days, the DSA is still small fry in the world of national politics in terms of resources and cash. Burning that on another long-shot presidential campaign, especially as only one politician has ever successfully made the jump straight from the house of representatives to the White House, instead of building more local successes that can act as a broad foundation would be shortsighted.

[–] jack@hexbear.net 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope she doesn't run but it seems obvious she will and will probably be very competitive

[–] hollowmines@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

is there any real evidence to support the idea she'll run or is it just a popular assumption due to name recognition/polling?

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 4 points 21 hours ago

everyone knows who she is because Fox News ran an awesome marketing campaign for her. sure there's better candidates but normies never heard of them.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's giving people the idea that she's gonna run?

[–] thelastaxolotl@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Ok so there is some demsoc drama, so one of the reformist DSA causus Groundwork tried to make a poll to endorse AOC as the presidential candidate because accourding to them they couldnt wait and had to organize the membership now, DSA national said no because there is currently no coalition or campaign for that so they decided to change it to a vote per dsa chapter intead of a national poll and now groundwork member are complaining about the national org being undemocratic with one of the NYC co-chairs (who is a groundwork loyalist) basically doing "lets split the party" posting https://x.com/unionGustavo/status/2076409763441606829

and also the poll groundwork wanted to do was an online poll that included paper members (people who dont organize) and that was one of the reasons the NPC shut it down

[–] jack@hexbear.net 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

damn if only the was an organizational principle that could avoid this lenin-heisenberg

[–] free_casc@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The issue is that snapping your fingers and making DSA a demcent communist ML Bolshevik party tomorrow will dramatically weaken it in numbers, since you will only have people comfortable with or sympathetic to that form remaining afterward. Numbers are most of that DSA has, even if there are so many liberals. Even with these shortcomings, it is great that there are comrades in the leadership of the largest left-wing org in the empire.

[–] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

thats what the menshekivks were argueing as well, that lenins party strcuture will severely reduce membership. stuffing a party / org with liberals and labour aristocracy doesnt really help long term historically

[–] free_casc@hexbear.net 6 points 1 day ago

I guess I agree that it'll need to happen, and that it isn't going to be viable long term, but when?

I don't think we will know the moment I'd right until (and hopefully not after) it happens.

[–] MizuTama@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

They started calling even the vaguest things required for demcent "recreating the electoral college from first principle"

[–] RION@hexbear.net 8 points 1 day ago

I think they should because it would be funny