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original title: 'An Insane Number of Gen Zers Support Hamas's Slaughter of Innocent Israelis'

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[-] Octagon9561@lemmy.ml 115 points 1 year ago

Hamas is the new Viet Cong. Plain and simple. They both were founded to fight for the liberation of their respective countries from neocolonalism. Hamas isn’t any more “terrorist” than Che Guevara.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 107 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hamas is just like the original “Indian savages” who “unprovokedly attacked settlements.” “Terrorist” is a slur.

[-] CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago

The kind of people who consider Hamas to be terrorists also likely considers Che a terrorist.

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 89 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just look at the Black Lives Matter chapter that responded to October 7 attacks by showing “solidarity” with the Palestinians, not Israel, and even positively depicting the hang gliders that were used by Hamas terrorists to kill civilians.

Why are these crackers surprised? The only colonized folk who can't see the 1:1 parallel going on are the ones who either got caught in the Trump-flavored Sunken Place, or the mercenaries who shuck, jive, and tom for the DNC; misleading their own for pay. And honestly, after Amerika's history of brutal colonization and continued-into-this-day genocide, they're all on fentanyl if they think after what this nation has done to my family and my community, I'd ever cosign either their military empire-flavored neocolonialism, or Israel's actual-lebensraum colonialism.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lol solidarity in quotes, like even when they talk about their opponents having solidarity with each other they still have to also double-backflip remind their liberal audience that solidarity is a silly nonsense thing made up by dumb foreigners, and that real, serious, effective adults are always supposed to have a knife behind their back when they smile and shake each other's hands, because to imagine things can be better is childish and naive (and therefore deserving of the knife I just planted in your back).

[-] darkcalling@lemmygrad.ml 79 points 1 year ago

Awesome Gen-zers understanding the context and history in which an event happens unlike goldfish-brained bourgeois press "journalists"

[-] jlyws123@lemmygrad.ml 50 points 1 year ago

Internet breaks through information censorship

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[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 72 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll fuckin support the next one too

[-] TeezyZeezy@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago

Should make the hat of this cartoon the green bandana haha

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

“Do you support Hamas?” Is an insanely biased question which should not have been chosen considering Hamas is not the only liberation organizations, Israel’s war is on the Palestinian people as a whole, not just Hamas, and most people probably support Palestine but have been agressively propagandized to hate those “terrorists.” Nonetheless, glad to see my generation is so based.

[-] bestagoner@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago

This, exactly. Do I endorse Hamas' entire political program and orientation? I don't know Hamas intimately, or their current internal debates, or whatever, but it's still safe to say no. I'm a secularist, an egalitarian, a socialist, etc., etc. But I recognize— as do the People's Front for the Liberation of Palestine, for example— that Hamas currently plays a leading role in the armed resistance to the Israeli settler-colonial project in general and the occupation of Gaza in particular, as well as running all of the basic civil services (such as they exist) in Gaza.

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My thoughts exactly! If ever there was a perfect case where critical support is called for, this is it. We support them specifically in their struggle to liberate Palestine and protect the people of Gaza. Beyond that it is no secret that we have a number of ideological and political disagreements with that group.

The trick that the Zionist propagandists in the western media are trying to pull is transparently clear: they are trying to equate the entire Palestinian liberation struggle with the ideology of one particular liberation group. And like everything they do, this too will backfire on them. All that this does is legitimize said group's ideology, not discredit the Palestinian struggle. Because no sane and empathetic human being can help but side with the Palestinian cause.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

ever there was a perfect case where critical support is called for, this is it.

I've spent the last two years critically supporting the Russian Federation, which is like the critical support version of training with ankle weights on. Hamas is a feather.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's what "critical support" is supposed to be for - I support Hamas in their struggle against Zionism, but have critiques that I'm keeping to myself for the moment because they're less important than defeating the Zionist entity. I'd be willing to discuss those critiques among other supporters, but when my comments are public facing and the enemy is watching they don't get to hear my hot takes.

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[-] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Generally I've been able to compartmentalise my insanity when reading mainstream sources pretty well. But with Gaza I just can't take it. Even though Isreal is openly run by genocidal far-right ghouls, the idea that maybe their intention is to do ethnic cleansing doesn't even get entertained. Eventhough they mostly agree that taking Hamas out militarily can't be done. Do they think the Isrealis are stupid and don't know this?

I'll here people go on about how dangerous and crazy the Iranians and their 'proxies' are because they are fundamentalists. Motherfucker, that's Isreal, that's the US too. Israelis are literally using genocidal bible quotes to justify their actions. Maybe, just fucking maybe they want to do ethnic cleansing.

People that used to go on about how horrible the Russians were for bombing civilians will now call Isreal's actions 'impressive'. Fucking imperialist pigs.

I swear to God, this place is the only one I can stomach to visit for updates without it cometely ruining my day.

[-] Stylistillusional@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago

Oops, wrong thread but close enough.

[-] taiphlosion@lemmygrad.ml 64 points 1 year ago

Good. Cry more.

[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

Tag yourself. I'm apparently "An Insane Number of Gen Zers"... Wait, that can't be right.

[-] KepBen@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago

It's true, we've been planting surplus Gen Zers into your subconscious the whole time, you're now several thousand of them and we're all very proud.

[-] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

I guess it does kind of explain why when I try to search for "heat blankets to help with back pain" my computer only ever shows me 14 000 simultaneous instances of the same viral TikTok Fortnite dance video.

[-] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 60 points 1 year ago

I do get some encouragement seeing things like this, or the students protesting who didn't back down even when their future careers were threatened.

The fact that they saw through the incredibly biased framing of the question especially.
"said they side with the terrorist group that just earlier this month purposefully targeted and slaughtered innocent civilians.". There's not even the hint of trying to be journalists anymore with them.

[-] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 year ago

To be "fair" this is in the opinion section. Their opinion is bad and wrong though.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 48 points 1 year ago

The "opinions" section is just so they can backpedal if they need to, if they actually held opinions that the staffers at the paper disagreed with, they wouldn't be allowed to put them there.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Intellectual integrity applies to everyone publishing shit for a general audience, even if journalistic integrity does not

Also, like, the paper is still publishing it

[-] Hexbear2@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What we call "terrorism" is the only means provided to the Palestinians to have a voice. They literally are in a concentration camp. The world's faux outrage shocked pikachu-face on this one is disgusting. No one would object if a chattel-slave killed his owners or a holocaust camp victim started blasting Nazis.

I'm gen X. I was fooled by the war on terror, and didn't understand the protestors at that time who were of an age of having had lived through Vietnam. Now I know better and join in the protests today. Shame on me if I were to be fooled again. The insane propaganda we're seeing on this Israeli genocide paralells what we saw after 9-11.

I am so proud that Gen Z isn't repeating the mistakes of my youth and falling for the propaganda. Based Gen Z. based-department

[-] MiraculousMM@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

No one would object if a chattel-slave killed his owners or a holocaust camp victim started blasting Nazis.

Unfortunately libs absolutely would depending on the situation

[-] sawne128@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

I've definitely seen libs on Reddit say it would have been immoral for Jews to resist against the Nazis. Like, not even kill Nazis, just being obstinate against them.

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[-] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 1 year ago

No one would object if a chattel-slave killed his owners or a holocaust camp victim started blasting Nazis.

John Brown would like to have a word with you.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In the words of MLK, riots are the voice of the unheard.

[-] bestagoner@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

What we call "terrorism" is the only means provided to the Palestinians to have a voice. They literally are in a concentration camp.

One point that I think is worth emphasizing with some audiences is that if we are horrified by an alleged atrocity committed by the armed wing of the Palestinian resistance movement, the only thing that can make such resistance and the excesses that may sometimes come with it unnecessary is a range of other options that are actually effective.

So if you want non-violence, do effective non-violence and prove that that it can work. Be the other half of the anti-apartheid movement that makes it possible to some day wind down the violent struggles against apartheid.

Scolding Palestinians about fighting back by the only means left to them doesn't give them any other options. An end to military aid for Israel and a powerful, growing BDS movement potentially could. When the Palestinian resistance has more leverage and power, parties like Hamas and others will recognize that and come to the negotiating table as fighters of national liberation struggles have done in many other countries. But they have to have leverage and non-violent forms of resistance have to be viable and proven, in order for deescalation to be possible.

The insane propaganda we're seeing on this Israeli genocide paralells what we saw after 9-11.

This is possibly an inroad for understanding among people of older generations who understand what historic crimes were committed in the US response to 9/11. Because anyone who was around and old enough then can recognize the similarities in the sound of the imperialist wardrums.

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[-] AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml 53 points 1 year ago

original title: 'An Insane Number of Gen Zers Support Hamas's Slaughter of Innocent Israelis'

Not pictured: The innocence of the citizens of an occupying force

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[-] pisstoria@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago

we can get those numbers up

[-] Juche_gang@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 1 year ago

Yeah that's how wars work, the enemy gets attacked

[-] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

they didn't get this in Ukraine either

[-] anicius@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 1 year ago

Let's go over the poll and how bias the questions are.

ISR4: Do you think it's true that Hamas terrorists killed 1200 Israeli civilians by shooting them, raping and beheading people including whole families, kids and babies or is that a false story?

This of course ignores the large number of military personnel killed by calling them civilians while also repeating the blood libel claim about babies.

ISR5: Do you think Hamas fighters are more appropriately called militants or terrorists?

Both of these words have a negative connotation in English normally you would use a neutral or positive word to gauge sentiment also the question above already calls them terrorists.

ISR7: Do you think Hamas is designated as a terrorist group by the U.S. government or is that not the case?

This is literally just a knowledge question but in the slides is presented as opinion. Bringing up the official designation just seems like an intentional attempt to bias any subsequent answers.

ISR15: Do you think the recent attack on Israel shows there is widespread antisemitism and hatred of Jews among Palestinians or does the attack reflect the actions of only terrorists and fundamentalists and not the will of Palestinian people?

These are the only two possibilities it couldn't have anything to do with fighting occupiers.

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Seriously, these questions are such shit. The zionists who came up with them couldn't pretend to be neutral for one poll, and yet they still didn't get the response they wanted.

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 43 points 1 year ago

Them and most of the world

[-] buh@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

I agree, it's insane that it's not higher society

[-] supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml 41 points 1 year ago

Other generations should also be on the side against dropping jdams on children's hospitals but yeah, of course the older Gen that benefited from imperialism won't see it that way

[-] bestagoner@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've been off of mainstream social media for all of this, so my view is limited. But all of the people I've been talking to regularly IRL, I've been educating or conversing with about this conflict as I educate myself. And so far, across 3 generations, everyone has been pretty receptive to the history and facts, and some are even open to reading a couple books on Palestinian history with me. All of them see the basic justness of the Palestinian cause.

I think there are at least some people within every generation who are still ignorant but could yet receive the truth.

[-] QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago

That’s just basic empathy. Anyone who actually looks at the facts will have sympathy for the Palestinian people. The problem is how most MSM is just repeating lies, and same with social media. At least dissident voices (with such obvious correctness) are given a chance on these sites, unlike in the past.

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[-] mar_k@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Tbh when you force people to choose between Israel and Hamas without even having a "no answer" option most people are gonna be afraid of choosing Hamas, especially when you frame them as genocidal baby beheading r*pist terrorists in your prior questions. But half of any western demographic saying they support Hamas is genuinely pretty surprising, this just means a fairly worded poll on Israel v Palestine would have a clear anti-zionist majority for young people

Do you think the Hamas killing of 1200 Israeli civilians on Israel can be justified by the grievances of the Palestinians?

18-24: 51% justified

Haha holy shit

[-] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 1 year ago
[-] GreenTeaRedFlag@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

And I'll support the next one too

[-] the_post_oftom_joad@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

Brad Polumbo is a jackass. He's the founder of Based-politics, which by name alone should tell you what they're about.

But! Here is a blurb anyway:

We’re a next-generation multi-media hub committed to providing “Based” commentary and reporting. There’s no sugarcoating around here and we won’t be holding back. We’re here to destroy big government and expose corrupt practices, not to shill for a tribe or a political party. Our values are unapologetically rooted in free markets, limiting the government, and individual liberty—we’ll take the side of these principles no matter the cost

Mmmmmm that's good comedy

[-] the_post_oftom_joad@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

They're right. 48% is insanely low. I'd have thought it would be higher. Good job Zs

[-] mar_k@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I find it interesting that 60% of zoomers support US intervention but half that is people who think America should be backing Hamas biden-leftist

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