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It seems like it'd get increasingly impractical as the years go on to hundreds of thousands and millions of years to write them out that way, but then...I guess technically one may already do this with the preceding years, so future's fair game for it?

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[-] Narrrz@kbin.social 45 points 1 year ago

it's going to be hard to get to 40k if we don't keep counting through the 10s.

[-] SnoopBob@lemmy.ca 25 points 1 year ago

In lore, in warhammer humans count XXX.MYY.

Like 005.M31 to 014.M31 for the Horus Heresy in the 31st millennium.

I vote we switch up to that system. The counting, not the ~~heresy~~.

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[-] julianh@lemm.ee 35 points 1 year ago

People already abbreviate to the last two digits when appropriate, so it's not hard to imagine people doing the same for bigger numbers.

For keeping track of stuff electronically, we're pretty much set too. 64 bit unix time will take us well over 100 billion years.

[-] argh_another_username@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

I was looking at some old pictures of my family and some of them had dates like 921 for 1921 in them. I used to abbreviate 88 for 1988, but I’ve never seen people using 3 digits like that.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

During y2k, a third digit was one of the compromises for languages like Perl. There were so many places that only displayed a two digit year but rolling over to 00 would have made it difficult to sort or do date math, or even to convert to a four digit year. So the year rolled over from 99 to 100, so dates with two digit years could be sorted correctly. If you were only displaying two digits, it probably correctly displayed as 00. If you wanted to convert to four digit years,just add 1900

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Grr. Is THAT why I had to subtract 1900 off my year for a damn c library time function?

[-] Seraph@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago

Seeing as the current year is 12,023 I'm gonna say: Yes.

[-] Sabata11792@kbin.social 23 points 1 year ago

Can't wait for the drama to patch Windows XP to survive y10k.

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

I put in a lot of extra hours helping prevent y2k from being a disaster but I hope they’re not expecting me again for y10k

[-] Sabata11792@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago

The chosen one. You will be frozen and revived thousands of years later to make sure we don't have to spend money to replace the label printer.

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[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 16 points 1 year ago

There are a lot of things it depends on.

First is whether we are still using the same calendar base date. The currently accepted international system is based on Christendom, but there are other calendars out there with different dates. You could see a switch over if another group becomes more dominant. Or you could get another system implemented entirely; France tried to change its base year to the French Revolution.

Second is if Earth is the only human inhabited planet. We are already seeing that the Martian day throws a lot of coordination up in the air, and that is without having human bases there. It is possible that Mars develops its own calendar that better fits Martian time. At that point, the only link for calendars across humanity would be the Unix Epoch.

[-] miak@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

The Unix Epoch is obviously the correct base for any calendar.

[-] bhamlin@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago
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[-] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

? It's hexadecimal

[-] AmidFuror@kbin.social 16 points 1 year ago

They'll just go to A001, thus pushing back the problem for 26,000 more years.

[-] Thavron@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Thus ~~pushing back the problem for 26,000 more years.~~ solving the problem once and for all!!

[-] vodkasolution@feddit.it 15 points 1 year ago

A new robot Messiah will arrive in 8630 so our year 10000 aC will be their 1370 aR

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[-] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

No I think time will just stop.

[-] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

Or we are in the year 12023

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

There’s already a movement to call it the 10000s because that’s about how long ago we had the idea to have permanent settlements

[-] wolfshadowheart@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

It's how long archeology has said we have had permanent settlements.

In reality it's likely far earlier than that, we only just found a settlement from 11,000 BCE in Turkey, Gobekli Tepe which was likely a sanctuary/shrine, as well as other towns in the surrounding area likely having started before even then.

Big archeology pushed back to say that that's not 100% certain and that humans were still nomadic, despite all the evidence showing otherwise. It was finally just recognized officially a couple months ago.

[-] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

I would hope that time and date formats would be redesigned by that point. If we would live to y10k, I'd expect a lot of space colonization. At that point, I'd expect there to be some other point of reference to define timestamps.

[-] DaleGribble88@programming.dev 12 points 1 year ago

Agreed. Let's get the conversation started on this. Personally, I'd like to use midnight of January 1st, 1970. That seems like a nice rational spot. The new time scale will just count the number of seconds since then. So, for example, this comment could be written at approximately 1699879376.

[-] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I love it! That would be EPOCH!

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[-] SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

Why would that be a problem? We already often only use the last two digits to refer to the year, that'll probably not change.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

What’s going to happen, is that I’m going to start a Humanist cult, and they’re going to name the new age after me.

They’ll call it “the year of our salvation.” They just misremember everything, and think I was some hero. The reality is I’m an asshole and should never be trusted leading a quasi-religious crusade.

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[-] joel_feila@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

Y10k bug will end society

[-] olsonexi@lemmy.wtf 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't see why not. 5 digits isn't too bad, and the issue wouldn't come up again for another 90,000 years after that. Besides, we'll probably extinct ourselves through climate change, nuclear war, and/or AI long before then anyways.

[-] Eufalconimorph@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Astronomers already use Julian Dates for various reasons. Right now it's 2460261.2834606, it'll be later by the time you read this. Julian dates/times are fractional days starting from January 1st, 4713 B.C. = 0. Just keep counting up from there.

[-] hansl@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

So I got confused and had to read Wikipedia for this. Day 0 is Jan 1, 4713 BC. I feel this causes more confusion if it isn’t mentioned.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

How are you still not confused??

So I just read through the same wiki and there is absolutely no explanation of why they start at 4713 BC. It's just bizarrely stated as fact with no explanation.

It would be like if invented a card game called Percluey where you had to count to 44 and Yell "Percluey" to win the game. And 8s are also called perclueys and worth -3. Then when you ask why it's 44 you just say "because that's Percluey" and then when they ask you what the heck is a "Percluey" you just shrug and sip on your spritzer.

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[-] Genericusername@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

By then, I don't think that the use of earth's orbital period around the sun would make sense as a unit of measurement. It is important to track the seasons if you're living in an agricultural society. But the orbital period of the earth is not consistent across time, nor the time it takes for the earth to rotate. It doesn't make a good unit of measurement. And don't get me started on leap years, leap seconds, negative leap seconds, timezones and daylight saving times...

I'd prefer to base the new unit of time based on "Plank time". About 10^44 of these are about one second. Now if we switch to the duodecimal system we can define 12^41 × Plank time to be our standard unit. It's about a third of an earth second. 144 of these (12^43) equal roughly 3/4 of a minute. 144 of these (12^45) is about 1.8 hours. 12 of these (12^46) could be the equivalent of a day, 12 of that could be an equivalent of a week, and you can find an equivalent for a year. The duodecimal is unnecessary, but it makes division a bit neater. Now peak a date well before the beginning of human history to avoid the need for negative years (BC / AD) and that's it.

That way you get a single number that you can manipulate arithmetically. Not like yyyy/mm/dd format where each part is a different length.

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[-] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 6 points 1 year ago

Beyond maybe needing some sort of space calendar if we ever actually get off this rock in a way that matters, why not? An extra digit isnt all that big of a hassle.

[-] thefactremains@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

If we're no longer on earth, days and years will be based on whatever orbit we're following. So I guess the counter would start from zero.

[-] kzhe@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

We'll probably have a Calendar system switch to a new major event

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

BC - Before Christ

AD - After Christ (but in Latin)

ADR - After Christ Returns (but in Martian)

[-] olsonexi@lemmy.wtf 8 points 1 year ago

AD - After Christ (but in Latin)

eh... not quite

it actually stands for "Anno Domini", which is latin, but means "in the year of the lord"

[-] rappo@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

we should really update this to "After when some people thought Jesus was born but they fucked up by 4-6 years. Also why is there no year zero?"

AWSPTJWBBTFUB4YAWITNYZ doesn't really roll off the tongue, though. Maybe it's better if someone can translate that into Latin.

Edit: Google Translate says "Post cum quidam putant natus est Jesus, sed eruditionis 4-6 annis. Cur etiam annus nullus est nullus?" so I propose "Post cum"

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[-] marcos@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Well, no reason not to add a digit after 9999.

But yeah, at some point we ought to stop using years. It's the second that is standardized, and the year is all off. I can't imagine we reaching 9999, but the change has no relation to the extra digit and no reason to happen anywhere near it.

[-] lemmie689 4 points 1 year ago

According to Zager and Evans, the year 9595 will pretty much be it.

https://piped.video/watch?v=zKQfxi8V5FA

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[-] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Nah, we'll never get there. (When we do, major Y10K crisis. 💣💥)

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