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[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 102 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

its false consciousness. the letter is actually anti-Semitic. they should read Noam Chomsky or something about manufacturing consent.

Your former president warned you previously about the devastating Jewish control of capital

Evangelical Christians are just as or more so invested in the state of Israel as Jews are.

Palestine in response to pressures on your administration by a Jewish lobby backed by enormous financial capabilities.

Again, its not "Jewish" lobby.

Osama isn't a friend of leftists.

Obligatory plug for Inventing Reality, from which much of Manufacturing Consent was cribbed (or at least it predated MC by 2 years)

And yes, you do not have to hand it to Al-Qaeda. They are reactionaries. They point out things that liberals conveniently ignore sometimes, especially when they are engaged in anti-colonial struggle, but it's still in service of their right wing views.

[-] oregoncom@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago

If a chud says the sky is blue it does not mean that the sky is purple, but it does not mean he is right about anything else either.

[-] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 86 points 1 year ago

I mean it does point out a lot of very real problems with the US but then it turns around and says 'and this is because the Jews control the banks and secretly rule America'

[-] mar_k@hexbear.net 70 points 1 year ago

From my understanding, most people reading the letter aren't agreeing with everything it says, just realizing terrorism doesn't spawn out of nowhere and the US has committed horrific atrocities

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 year ago

I thought this was obvious, but apparently a lot of Americans are more racist than even I thought. And my opinion of my fellow hogs is below zero.

"Wow, those weird Muslim Arab people aren't simply born with a genetic memory that says "death to Amerikkka genocide all crackkkers?" My mind is blowing!"

[-] Feinsteins_Ghost@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago
[-] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Can you guys like at least use your magic to replace fr*nch fries with latkes? They're a superior culinary experience

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago

I mean Bin Laden's a start but somehow getting Parenti or Chomsky videos to go viral would be better. Baldwin too.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago

Fuck Chomsky, he's a sub-opportunist defender of the status quo he limply criticizes. Get fucking Kwame Ture on there.

[-] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

I don't have a particularly high opinion on Chomsky but he's mostly had great no-holds-barred takes on Israel-Palestine which are straight and to the point, which is why clips of them have gone viral. But yes, we need to "sneak in" some actual revolutionary voices.

[-] kureta@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

I saw this today and I think it is pure gold. buy one chomsky get one free

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

if the bar is at bin laden then chomsky is an improvement

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[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

The Baldwin/Buckley debate is hilarious because Buckley tries to pop off little WASP quips and Baldwin just ain't having it.

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[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I feel about Bin Laden the same way I do about Ted Kaczinsky (sp?): might have some very good points but also really bad ones and neither strike me as particularly good people. America may have deserved 9/11 but for me that doesn’t translate to any support - even critical support - for Bin Laden.

[-] ComradeChairmanKGB@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 year ago

Bin Laden's biggest mistake was not doing sequels. People love a connected universe. Imagine if we got a new 9/11 as frequently as we got a new mcu product.

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 1 year ago

I always just call him Uncle Teddy

He was that crazy, highly intelligent, but very odd uncle we all have or wish we had. A kindhearted outdoorsman with a real go-getter attitude towards hands-on education.

It's kinda interesting how the FBI had no fucking clue who the Unabomber was and he only got caught because he published his manifesto and his brother+sister in law recognized his crazy rambling and reported it. If he hadn't insisted on being so public with his message and his brother wasn't a snitch who knows.

[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

He was that crazy, highly intelligent, but very odd uncle we all have or wish we had. A kindhearted outdoorsman with a real go-getter attitude towards hands-on education.

he was a crazed racist mass murderer

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[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think he's smart at all with his political ideology, check his manifesto again...

https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/classes/188/materials/Industrial%20Society%20and%20Its%20Future.pdf

Here's one of his quotes:

"Leftists tend to hate anything that has an image of being strong, good and successful. They hate America, they hate Western civilization, they hate white males, they hate rationality. The reasons that leftists give for hating the West, etc. clearly do not correspond with their real motives"

Remind you again of someone, in fact, someone used his ideology for mass shooting (Anders Breivik)

Also, we support critically actually-existing socialist countries, to which he later says something on how we exaggerate the faults and assault of the Western world upon the third world while, at best, begrudgingly acknowledging our faults, which is self-projection, considering the right wingers have consistently whined about 100 million dead nowadays

In fact, one of his ideology's core tenet is full-out anti-leftism and he talks in great length about its threat to this ideology

"To avoid this, a movement that exalts nature and opposes technology must take a resolutely anti-leftist stance and must avoid all collaboration with leftists. Leftism is in the long run inconsistent with wild nature, with human freedom and with the elimination of modern technology. Leftism is collectivist; it seeks to bind together the entire world (both nature and the human race) into a unified whole. But this implies management of nature and of human life by organized society, and it requires advanced technology. You can’t have a united world without rapid transportation and communication, you can’t make all people love one another without sophisticated psychological techniques, you can’t have a “planned society” without the necessary technological base"

Meanwhile, he just criticizes conservatives as slight hypocrites

"The conservatives are fools: They whine about the decay of traditional values, yet they enthusiastically support technological progress and economic growth."

If you want to see a better analysis and solution to saving the environment from ourselves, read these docs:

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/59bc0e610abd04bd1e067ccc/t/60642e4f3bd29a1c5bb36e31/1617178208144/Hickel+et+al+-+Plunder+in+the+post-colonial+era.pdf

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S095937802200005X

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0305750X22002169

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanplh/article/PIIS2542-5196(20)30196-0/fulltext

https://www.youtube.com/@OurChangingClimate

In short, this guy was your regular cottagecore libertarian who is anti-technology and wants to live in a fully-deindustrialized world, regardless of its costs on humanity, let alone on our carbon footprint on the planet, which will stay there for a long time and probably increase a bit after the destruction...

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[-] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's not at all surprising why this is considered mind-blowing to many young people who had been spoonfed "we got bombed because of our freedumbs" their entire lives subliminally. The general knowledge of America's "shenanigans" all over the world pre-9/11, never mind the MidEast in particular, is still so far behind despite being leagues better than two decades ago.

That said, seeing a lot of people "hand it" to scum like OBL and Tucker Carlson, even here, has been driving me up the wall. The antisemitic, immaterial drivel reactionaries spew simply spreads false consciousness which distracts from the root of Israel's role as an enforcer of Western capitalist hegemony. It's our job as communists to dispel that and raise class consciousness.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago

Educational system has failed to properly indoctrinate Gen Z, who is performing original research

[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

JJ McCullough's response video to the "worrying trend" was honestly just kinda painful to watch. He seems like such a crotchety old man who thinks he knows better than them durn whippersnappers.

[-] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

JJ McCucklough is a stupid Canuck fuck who runs his soy mouth on issues beyond his depth with all the arrogance that a centrist liberal worldview can explain and solve everything.

[-] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

I mean, yeah, which is why I don't watch him much anymore, but could we please not use "soy" as some sort of weird pejorative?

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[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

You mean this guy isn't even American and simping this hard for Biden? Fucking loser.

[-] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

Exactly, liberals all around the world live together in the realm of la la land.

[-] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

He's Canadian. Most of our politics are American politics.

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[-] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

Yeah he's pretty cringe ngl:

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[-] invo_rt@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago

Ghouls, sowing: Yes, yes... underfund the schools... vilify all teachers...

Ghouls, reaping: The education system has failed Gen Z...

[-] Aryuproudomenowdaddy@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago
[-] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's false consciousness and some of the kids are going to start acting foolish cause of this (idk the age of gen Z and I'm not looking it up. I'm sure you're doing fine). But gen Z is inherenting a world on this collision course with doom since before they were born and are witnessing the suffering of the millennials who tried to wrestle with that reality earnestly. It's the easiest troll of my fucking life to take the "bad guy" from some conflict that these people take seriously and say that he was right. This is elementary for being annoying, an art which defined my adolescence. Getting a news site to take down his letter and getting an article written about you is what made 4chan fun before the Nazis came in. The left should facilitate Dagestani style wrestling and cook rice in a pot you have to flip upsidedown to get out so they get an education and don't move on to calling Hitler right.

[-] Timberknave@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago

I don't think the main takeaway for Gen Z on that letter was that homosexuality and jewish people are the source of the world's ills

[-] Coca_Cola_but_Commie@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

It'd be pretty funny if Bin Laden destroyed the US a decade after his own death not through terrorism but because some American kids read a letter he wrote twenty years earlier.

A bunch of suburbanite gen Zs become cargo cult wahhabists. Instead of having Imams they learn about Islam from the moderators of meme discord groups.

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago
[-] pooh@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

This kinda seems like an op tbh

[-] RedWizard@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago

The letter is trending? I should give it a read. Welcome to the new spin boys, buckle up!

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[-] Deadend@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago

I scroll tiktok a lot and I have not seen any of these videos.. so I don't think the left-wing accounts are really posting Bin Laden.

It feels a bit...odd.

[-] Spongebobsquarejuche@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Probably more Zuckerberg attempting to get Tik Tok banned.

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[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

"Our education system has failed" says people who want to defend public education so they can homeschool their kids in "respecting the troops 101"

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