it's fucked up, and there's definitely some creepy psychology behind parents still doing it to their kids
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It's primarily circumcised fathers who drive the cycle of abuse. To leave their son intact would be a tacit admission that they were robbed of something valuable, and that their parents did something horrific to them. This puts up a huge psychological barrier which makes it easier to simply cut their child and move on like nothing's wrong. It also doesn't help that men's ego's are strongly linked to their genitalia.
I've talked to couples who are parents that said they circumsized their son just because they didn't want their son to ask why their dick looked different from dad's, and men who said they'll circumsize their future sons just because they're circumsized. But I'm not circumsized, and when my relationship with my girlfriend became more "serious" we sort of talked about having kids. And she said it would be up to my whether we would circumsize any of our sons or not, and I was just like "it's not my penis, I'll let them do whatever they want with it but I won't make the decision to cut anything off".
they didn’t want their son to ask why their dick looked different
This is the result of the brain thinking (all subconsciously, of course) "I don't want to contemplate how my son's dick is different" and translating it to sound like it's for their son's benefit.
Yeah one of the couples I'm thinking of had already had their first son circumsized and had talked about how much he screamed during the process, and they were justifying why they would have their second son circumsized as well.
Yeah, this is bullshit. My sister, among others, mutilated both her sons because she thinks intact members look "gross." I have heard similar sentiments, and their ensuing mutilations, from women in similar demos.
I didn't say that women don't participate in the genital cutting culture. Men are just more likely to give strong pushback to criticism of the practice because it's more personal. It also happens to be that almost all of the medical authorities and researchers responsible for endorsing and promoting circumcision are circumcised men, and they bear the most blame.
Let's be clear that not all fathers who circumcised their sons are driving a cycle of abuse. Especially not that long ago when it was just viewed as a normal thing many people did. These parents simply didn't know better. They weren't abusing their kids. They didn't do it based on ego. It was just something you did with newborns.
Abuse is still abuse even if it's normal and even if you don't think it's abuse.
Just because you think it's abuse doesn't mean it is.
mutilating your child's genitals without anesthetic for cosmetic reasons is abuse. if you disagree with that you're fucking wrong.
That's the thing. A lot of parents didn't do it for aesthetic reasons. They thought it was healthier. This is what I mean when I say people are extreme about it. You're being completely hostile about it. The reality is it's an unnecessary practice we should stop doing but it doesn't negativity affect the lives of the vast majority of people it's done to. Implying that every circumcised male in history was abused by their parents is ludicrous.
mutilating your child's genitals because you couldn't be bothered to inform yourself about it is also abuse
imagine making this argument for literally any other form of abuse. hell, even any other form of mutilation. oh, yeah, i cut off the baby's earlobes because, uhh ... i get cysts in mine sometimes and thats kinda scary. earlobes must be bad.
and yes, im being hostile. we should be hostile toward INFANT GENITAL MUTILATION and those who support it.
But you're being hostile to somebody who doesn't support it.
It's not that parents couldn't be bothered to inform themselves. They were given the wrong information. Though it is factually correct that it's more hygienic.
I would argue that missing earlobes has a more profound effect on a person than missing foreskin.
But you’re being hostile to somebody who doesn’t support it.
then why are you supporting it right now? downplaying its severity, going "its not so bad, you guys are overreacting" that shit is supporting it. if you dont support INFANT GENITAL MUTILATION then stop supporting it. you can't say you don't support it and then go around supporting it
It’s not that parents couldn’t be bothered to inform themselves.
yes it is
They were given the wrong information.
I'm given wrong information about things all the time, and so are you. Hopefully you don't just believe the first thing you're told and refuse to ever look into it, especially if you're planning to MUTILATE ANOTHER PERSON'S GENITALS.
Though it is factually correct that it’s more hygienic.
no it isnt you fucking genital mutilation advocating goddamn freak. fuck you
I do sympathize with parents who didn't know better, including my loving parents. The medical establishment is to blame. Nobody who chooses circumcision thinks they are abusing their son, nor are they criminally negligent. But I can't say that someone who circumcises their son isn't technically continuing the cycle. Also, sorry to hear about your son.
Lol I don't have kids and I'm not planning to. Just think people on here get a little extreme about the whole circumcision thing.
i would hope people would be "a little extreme" about widespread, normalized infant genital mutilation
you are the weird one for not being upset about it
Mutilating genitals is good but trans people asking for surgery is bad.
"How can a teenager possibly consent to permanently altering their body?" *Does elective surgery on a literal baby*
That's honestly a contradiction I've never thought of but it's spot on.
And really, circumcison is effectively irreversible. A lot of trans teens really just want puberty blockers, which is reversible (and now banned in the uk).
left wingers :solidarity: right wingers
Not wanting foreskin chopped off
lol all the right wing dudes i know are circumsized and as far as I know they plan on having their sons' foreskin chopped off too
idk i always see mras and incels complaining about so 🤷
Fuck circumcision, but if you are cut still love yourself, your body is still beautiful
Yeah part of the reason I'm wary of the Circumcision Discourse is that it seems like a lot of times it oversteps into promoting yet another dick-related insecurity? When the whole thing, at least before bringing religion into the picture, just seems like a simple question of medical necessity (i.e. it doesn't seem particularly medically necessary) and bodily autonomy.
Yeah, I do see it kind of go that direction sometimes which I think is not productive. I just try to spread body positivity where I can. Like don't get me wrong I'll make it illegal when I'm supreme leader of the People's Republic of North America, but I think a lot of guys do project existing insecurities onto it.
One of the reasons it continues IMO is that people continue to be in denial about just how significant the sexual loss is.
[T]he fundamental biological sexual act becomes, for the circumcised male, simply a satisfaction of an urge and not the refined sensory experience that it was meant to be. ---C. J. Falliers, MD., JAMA. 1970
Circumcison is bad but don't call it "mutilation"
Infant genital mutilation is bad, okay?
It's cutting part of the body of a kid that can't consent. Unless it's done for a valid and important medical reason, it's mutilation.
Unpopular opinion, but I'm pretty sure I was unharmed by my circumcision.
The foreskin has thousands of nerve endings for pleasure during sex
Even if your circumcision was perfect you were still made a little less human
I talk with people about sex all the time. I'm pretty confident I'm having the exact same experience as my uncircumcised brethren. No, I'm not less human. JFC, that's a hot take.
How would you know?
Im sorry your parents abused you and decided to chop a piece of you off in the name of batshit religious tradition
https://circumcision.org/circumcision-affects-female-sexual-pleasure/
In this three-minute video I achieve five orgasms (each with an ejaculation) over a period of less than two minutes, by stimulating my ridged band (which is pulled back and exposed on the shaft of my penis) with the thumb and index finger of my right hand. I do not touch my glans penis.
This, my friends, is the elusive male multiple orgasm — and the only way I can experience a multiple orgasm is by stimulating my ridged band. Men circumcised as children in the standard North American/Jewish style can never experience a ridged band orgasm or ridged band multiple orgasm, because the ridged band is fully amputated by the circumciser and can not be restored.
Thank you for viewing my sample ridged band multiple orgasm video. Its purpose is to demonstrate to any reasonable person that the ridged band is the most sensitive and orgasmic part of the penis. My ridged band/O-ring makes major contributions to my sexual function, sexual sensation and orgasms, and the thought of a knife slicing it off makes my blood run cold. Circumcision of the foreskin, which always completely amputates the ridged band, is brutality, the theft of body parts, and the theft of a full sexual experience. If parents were properly educated about the anatomy, function and pleasure potential of the foreskin and its ridged band, they would not have their sons circumcised
I am not watching a video of you jerking your smelly dick. 🤷♂️
It's not me; I'm cut. All you need to understand about the video is that it exists, and that it serves as undeniable proof that you and I are missing out.