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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) by ComradeCmdrPiggy@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

So for those of you unaware, last night someone claiming to be a long-time poster confessed to being in a sexual + romantic relationship with what turned out to be a minor 15 years his junior. (Here is the post for additional context.) Several people - myself included - failed to immediately condemn the relationship and in fact sympathized with OP and put blame on the kid for lying to and manipulating OP (who claimed to be unaware of the kid's actual age until the cops told him), completely ignoring the fact that a 15-year-old cannot consent to such a relationship. Even if he jumps through a bunch of hoops to illegally get into a kink space and fabricates an of-majority-age persona in order to get with a much older man. In my own case, I believe that my own perception of the situation - not helped by OP's way of telling the story - was warped such that the sexual side of the relationship was sidelined in favor of the more emotional side, as well as having an incorrect perception of consent as it pertains to teenagers going in. Either way, I admit that my gut reaction was wrong both legally and probably morally, and that I clearly have much to learn about consent and sexual laws and norms (from harassment to rape.)

My recommendation to the mod team would be to permaban all people whose first reaction was to side with OP (yes, including me), and have a stern discussion with the site about the gravity and absoluteness of consent, especially with respect to children and teenagers (to cover the rest of your asses.) Advice on further steps to be taken would also be appreciated.

Shout-out to u/BeamBrain for shaming me and setting me straight. I hope the few others who sided with OP have also come to realize the error of their ways.

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[-] CA0311@hexbear.net 83 points 10 months ago

MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD ARE TALKING ABOUT REPORTING THEMSELVES TO AUTHORITIES OVER THESE POSTS?!

get a fucking grip please!!

[-] the_kid@hexbear.net 47 points 10 months ago

this kind of post is why other people make fun of hexbear lol

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 55 points 10 months ago

I still can't believe people fell for the old "they lied about their age" sob story. And after falling for it, want to report themselves to the police.

What planet are people living on? Does anyone here have any actual life experience?

[-] the_kid@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

leaving the news mega is always a grave mistake

[-] jabrd@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago

There’s a lot of good reasons to make fun of this site

[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 40 points 10 months ago

yeah i think this is a serious misstep. getting yourselves on a list or arrested isn't going to make you better people. the people in question need to reconsider everything they believe about these kinds of situations.

martyrdom isn't repentance. they need to improve themselves so the next time something like this happens (whether here or elsewhere), they're useful to the victim instead of the fucking rapist.

[-] CA0311@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

i really want to know what exactly the report would be about. no crime occured on hexbear, having a bad take is not illegal. what op did was illegal but local cops at least already arrested him so nothing to be accomplished there. im concerned about the idea that a comrade would, through guilt or embarrassment about cringe posting, inform the feds or whoever about posts on hexbear.

[-] RonPaulyShore@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

need to be banned for being terminally online weirdos

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[-] booty@hexbear.net 55 points 10 months ago

All I have to add to this is that while my gut instinct is also to feel sympathy in situations like this, I have a very hard time feeling sympathy for a 30+ year old who thought they were "only" banging an 18 year old. I spent some time hanging out with an 18 year old stranger not long ago and I had fun but they definitely hit my "child" radar and I'm only 24. Would never have considered climbing into bed with them. If a friend around my age told me they recently had sex with an 18 year old my first response would be along the lines of, "yikes, are you sure about that?" If I were ever considering banging someone who could plausibly be a teenager, even if they said they were 20+, I'd be very cautious about it. Like, legitimately no joke show me your fuckin ID sort of territory.

[-] Mardoniush@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah, while I feel a fair amount of sympathy, it's absolutely the responsibility of the older party in situations where it's even remotely plausible the person is under 18. You should adopt the bottleo rule "If you look under 25 you're getting carded" (Age of drinking is 18 here). Dude fucked up bad and it is his fault. You're an adult, do the adult thing. And the adult thing is to make sure you don't get into shitty situations like this.

Even then, if you're over 25, having a relationship with anyone who hasn't gotten a bachelor's degree (or worked for an equivalent time) is a little sus. I'm not gonna disallow it because there are shitty social consequences from going too far with that, but it is a red flag that needs a whole heap of green flags to overcome.

[-] Nationalgoatism@hexbear.net 53 points 10 months ago

I can't see anybody's comments on the thread, as they aren't loading, but I'll say this. No one should be banned simply for sympathizing with op. That is a very confusing post about a very bizarre and fucked up situation, and I can't blame people for not immediately having the one correct take or whatever. Furthermore, I would even more strongly urge you not to report yourself to any authorities except in certain very extreme and particular circumstances. I don't know what country you live in, but legal authorities are not trustworthy nor on the right side. If you give police information, in a best case scenario they will ignore and equally likely they will use it against you or people around you.

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[-] hexbear_partisan@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I know that this is very serious, but in the interest of brevity (since you all know what I mean) this situation is an opportunity to appreciate the :volcel-police: culture on the site.

I'm incredibly thankful that this isn't something that transpired between two people on this site, cause it could easily happen in a lot of online spaces and really fuck shit up. II think it's a bit harder of an environment here for that sort of thing to pop up, and I think we should keep it that way.

It's also worth reflecting upon in offline interactions. Let's do good things for people in our community and not get distracted by all kinds of "fucking" drama. Easy for me to say, but sure, I have my own issues that hold me back (we can get into drug and alcohol use etc... as well). Just saying the post has me reflecting and writing some neo-Maoist comradely wisdom into my "Little Red Book 2nd Edition". Maybe it's trash anyway.

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[-] AlkaliMarxist@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

There's nothing wrong with empathizing with someone in a crisis, but the posts which supported OP by deflecting responsibility onto the child involved left a very bad taste in my mouth and I'm glad this is getting looked at and is recognized as an issue. Also absolving someone of all responsibility for actions which, even unintentionally, caused significant harm can send a dangerous message, both to the person and, in a public forum, to others as well, that the behaviour is condoned.

[-] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Just a chapo mod, not sitewide.

The original post is up, but none of the replies are loading for me. I don't really have any clue what happened in the thread but to me, its apparent that the OP should have at the very least definitely been asking more questions than they were.

I'm not currently in contact with any admins, and I will leave any sort of continuing plan of action to them. That said, I will definitely state that rape apologia here won't stand, not anywhere on this site. The user ghostofwhoiwas was wrong, and any sort of "just asking questions" about the culpability of people who fuck teens will result in a ban from here on out. Previous posts have been removed without bans.

[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

u/GorbinOutOverHere is a ban evasion account for @AmericaDelendeEst@hexbear.net that comments about evading the ban here (https://hexbear.net/comment/2837010) and there’s a removed comment in the old ban appeals mega

now supporting child abuse in addition to the previous report abuse, anti-veganism, and “Constantly spreading disinformation and misrepresenting events. Repeatedly baiting out drama” that caught a ban in the first place

hopefully admins will take a second look at this, with the new 2 year ban from this comm and the reasons why, to at least consider further disciplinary action

[-] booty@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

I literally came here just to be like "you know it's been forever so I don't even remember what their first account was, but they were already permabanned and for good reason so I'm glad to see them finally gone again" lol

Hopefully their next ban evasion accounts actually get banned on the basis of being ban evasion accounts and they either give up and go somewhere else or thoroughly change their behavior

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[-] ComradeCmdrPiggy@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago

rat-salute Thank you for your service

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago

a minor 15 years his junior.

So OP basically r-word someone young enough to be their nephew.

[-] ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 10 months ago

Im never using active sort again I would have missed this if I stuck to new

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[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

me, who had no idea about any of this until 5 minutes ago

[-] aaro@hexbear.net 23 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

yeah that was a super dicey situation yikes-1yikes-3

I was there, my only contribution was as neutral as I could make it, but I'm truly not sure that was the right way to engage. The main issue in my mind is as follows: it's clearly a morally wrong act that OP committed, but it's also morally wrong (and not constructive) to dogpile a person expressing suicidal ideation and also having recently attempted suicide, for something they knew was wrong and did through poor choices/ignorance and not malice (not an excuse, but background that should inform the response).

Separate from the response to this incident, I think we might need to examine the rules of /c/mentalhealth and maybe the site as a whole in regards to talking about questionably illegal or fully illegal activities. While it's nice to have a space where people can talk about their deeply troubling personal issues with a sympathetically leftist cohort, that post and the engagement it got was really a lot for the community to deal with, and might even attract undue law enforcement/fed eyes on hexbear in the near future. That post was also potentially in violation of comm rule 1, "We are not a crisis service."

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[-] milistanaccount09@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

Yeah I definitely think that my gut reaction was also wrong. I like not being banned so I would say I personally don't want to be banned but if the mods ban me I won't die since hey it's just a website.

[-] ComradeCmdrPiggy@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

We are not immune to ~~propaganda~~ sob stories from a sex pest

[-] TeddyKila@hexbear.net 19 points 10 months ago

i touched grass yesterday and i'm worse off for having read the referenced post

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