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submitted 10 months ago by Dalek@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net

I'm a Brit and over here its kind of funny to see American's who Prep. Prep for alien invasion, prep for zombie outbreak, prep for Government oppression. It always seems to be slightly mad people who react this way, but just recently.. maybe the last few years.. I've followed the climate crisis in the news and tried to pick it apart.

It seems to me the fossil fuel/energy companies are gaslighting people, astroturfing just as the tobacco companies did in the past. We've had all this time (decades in fact) to transition. To adapt. Now we get this watered down deal that will see nothing really change.

So for me its time to store dry foods, toiletries, rainwater. Whatever I can afford. I will be secretly supplementing my electric with a small solar array I have bought with my overtime. Nothing massive, just 640w (two renogy panels as they have good reviews), and a small g99 inverter. The panels are hidden out back in a garden with the cable connected to grid via a long cable and into a switched inlet. I also have two friends who are doing the same as we've saved 5% of the cost buying together.

Things are already hard here. The last thing we need is for another load of panics but long term. People are already making their way here from other countries as their own are too dangerous, or their crops are failing. Imagine what it will be like when things get worse. We need to do our own thing now.

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[-] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Actual "prepping" is 90% knowing your neighbours / being part of a local community.

With that being said, having a bag with some cash, a water filter, a rechargeable radio and the like is absolutely useful and is actual government advice in many countries (despite rarely being advertised a lot); as well as having food on hand if possible for a few weeks. Especially for local natural disasters / disruption of services.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 30 points 10 months ago

Read the latest ipcc report. They release a bullet point version for "world leaders" (since they dont need to know stuff i guess lol).
We have a slight chance at averting 3 c increase. 1.5 is locked in. 2 could have been averted sic months ago. 2.5 can be averted (but it won't).
And everything is going much faster than expected.
We will have millions of climate refugees by the end of this decade.

Yes you should start prepping.

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago

This is a little pessimistic - there are still (non-loony) climate researchers who think that 2 C is achievable, but 2 C means that areas where over a billion people currently live will be functionally uninhabitable by the 2070's. The largest permanent migration in human history is kicking off now and will be in high gear by mid-to-late century. So we've still got time to plan, and there is still a set of outcomes where the global north accommodates the refugee population and humanity finds its niche in a considerably less diverse but still livable Earth, but the work necessary to make that happen needs to start now, preferably without additional lethal obstacle courses on the US-Mexico border. Anyways I'm still contributing to my retirement fund but I frequently ask myself how much I'm going to need it.

[-] Kaplya@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

but 2 C means that areas where over a billion people currently live will be functionally uninhabitable by the 2070's.

Hate to break it to you, but that’s what the bourgeoisie want: the “natural solution” to culling a billion poorest people on the planet to solve the over-population problem who are competing for resources with them.

[-] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

It's also incredibly contradictory considering those billions are also the ones they rely on to produce the most surplus value.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

This is one reason I don't believe the depopulation theory people throw around. Now, I know many in the bourgeoisie do talk about overpopulation, and I'm certain many do believe in social darwinist claptrap; but this contradiction that you mentioned makes me think there's not really a unified effort by them to do it.

I think it's as simple as: doing something about climate change now would jeopardize their short term profits, and whatever happens in 2050 or 2070 won't affect them personally.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 9 points 10 months ago

Low income countries are planning how to survive, at least. Here? It will be like how we did the war on terror in the Sahel. They may try to protect important areas from the disasters while they lay waste to the populace at best

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

It's always been and always will be socialism or barbarism.

[-] voight@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

I think even compradors adapting to post-Covid or what ppl call bonapartist military leaders will fare better. Degrees of barbarism 🤣

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

Nothing wrong with prepping if it's done properly. Making yourself an island in the middle of an apocalypse isn't gonna do you a lot of good, but building a community that can serve as an alternative support to failing infrastructures is something we need to do as a step towards revolution anyway.

[-] Dalek@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

Thats why we teamed up. Just three of us right now. We have to be careful not to exceed the amperage of the house fuses and what the local grid can take (about 30amps per property). Its not going to save us money, but could be switched to battery later if we need to. Effectively we're supplying up to 200-300wh of green energy back to the local grid.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

Awesome! You may be interested in Mark Lakeman's work with building communities.

This is a very charismatic TedX talk he did. https://youtu.be/GYES81Ibj4A

And this is more of a meat and potatoes of what they've built in Portland https://youtu.be/VoYZlyBHyQM

There's a bit (in the TedX talk at least, maybe both) where they catalogue the neighborhood's skills and occupations for planning that I thought was a rather intriguing idea.

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[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

Building community is one of these terms that gets tossed around a lot and it sounds nice, but it's not the fix all in our society.

People are constantly moving around the globe. And with that constant flux it's hard to build irl community and a lot of the movement by westerners is by choice. Each year more and more millions of people are going to be forced to move due to the climate catastrophes. I'm not sure the answer, but build community locally just isn't a reality I see anymore.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

Well, obviously the answer is violent revolution, but in order to do that...

[-] Antiwork@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

And thats my point. What ways do we build a revolutionary vanguard party in a society where people are constantly moving. I don't really have an answer. But be friends with your neighbor and then move after a year also isn't the answer.

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

Building a community is much more than just getting to know your neighbor though; the goal is to ultimately organize and de-atomize our society. By building small communities and linking them to others we can do things like share/trade resources or coordinate and make introductions to a new community when one of your members has to move away. Rich people do that shit all the time. It's about building an alternative culture and structure that can undermine our oppressors'.

[-] teeforlove@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

fucking disgusting how bourgeoisie news capitalizes on genocide, this time the current one in Congo

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 26 points 10 months ago

Of course the bourgeois are pushing ecofascism as the solution

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

'But telling the bourgeoisie to go without their monthly new yacht? Muh 1984!"

[-] voight@hexbear.net 17 points 10 months ago

Man that's next level. Christ. Singing the praises of underdevelopment by carnage.

[-] Dalek@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

They put energy prices up to 4 times what they were in 2020 over the past 2 years. The rightwing press and Tories were hailing that a green success here. My work colleagues turned their heating off and sit in the cold this time of year with blankets.

[-] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

The US has violated every previous COP agreement, so it doesn't really matter.

[-] Dalek@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

Britain has too. We're far smaller but our impact per head of population has been far greater. This is because the banks and energy sector has its money flowing through the City of London.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

Not really sure how to prep for "government rounding up the surplus population for liquidation" so-

[-] Teapot@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Lots of ammo for you and your neighbors

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago

I've always been pessimistic about our chances.

Maybe that's just propaganda, though? Hamas has shown us that the perceived invincibility of the highly funded high-tech military is an illusion.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

There's a big difference in having enough firepower to overthrow a government and having enough fire power you aren't worth the effort to target.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

It doesn't take much effort to drop a bomb tbh

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

More effort and money than to just kick your front door in especially if they have to do it to everybody.

Also if we're at the point they're dropping bombs on civilians without repercussions we're long past the point where much of anything you do is gonna make a differenc.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

They bombed M.O.V.E. with zero repercussions

[-] D0ctorPhi1@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

I'm moving to China and hoping they keep doing the amazing things they're doing to resist and reverse the effects of climate change.

[-] Dalek@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

The people here think China is building 40 coal plants a week due to the media. Thats their excuse to "stop trying to fix the problems" but in reality it just means we should do more. In fact people have written articles about how we could export energy quite cheaply and undercut the oil and gas, and the French nuclear.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 14 points 10 months ago

America could have had a green industrial revolution and been the world leader in manufacturing renewable energy equipment from hydro generators to wind turbines to solar panels.

But half our country thinks it isn't real so we willingly let China start doing laps around us which will put them at the top of the global economy for the next 100 years.

[-] Dalek@hexbear.net 12 points 10 months ago

Energy and fossil firms had evidence for climate change back in the 70s. Documents have been leaked for years but they've gaslit people for so long it didnt have any effect.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

The scientific community has been screaming about it the whole time. The fossil fuel industry has a hell of a propoganda arm but idk if I'd call it gaslighting, it's pretty easy to sell people on the message of "everythings fine and you deffinitly should not feel bad or even think about your consumption"

It's not like people are unaware of the concept half the country just decided it wasn't real because that would be inconvenient and another giant chunk acknowledges it but gets mad if anybody suggests they do anything about it.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago
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[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago

If they didn't manage to continue zero COVID indefinitely then I also don't see how they manage to prevent millions from dying when an especially bad heatwave hits somewhere like Chongqing.

[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

All the serious scientists are at AGU, COP has become Davos 2.0

[-] TraumaDumpling@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

my disaster plan is to join any other survivors that didn't prep and become the post apocalyptic bandit marauders, with the post apocalyptic bandit grindset every prepper bunker is just a lootbox waiting to be opened

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[-] pumpchilienthusiast@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

I am prepped, i plan to kill myself once things hit a certain point; there will be no scrounging for potable water and hiding from marauders for me, thanks

[-] Dalek@hexbear.net 7 points 10 months ago
[-] roux@hexbear.net 8 points 10 months ago

In Texas if it gets cold out entire power grid shits the bed and our politicians go to Cancun so they can be warm and cozy while we die by freezing to death so I do a bit of light prep with water and canned foods just in case.

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

And also if it gets too hot.

In Texas.

In the summer.

But at least your power grid doesn't have any of those un-American regulations like "your power grid should still be able to run if it gets cold in the winter or hot in the summer"

[-] roux@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

This past summer or maybe it was the last, the bigger cities were asked to please not turn their ac up too high as it could put a strain on the power grid.

I used to laugh at the fact that Abbott sued the EPA to not winterize our grid because it wasn't necessary, then having the freeze happen. But turns out the grid is just complete fucking shit all around. But hey at least Cruz got to win points by blaming the freeze on wind turbines that make up like 10% of the power generation, while coal and natural gas that he champions on Twitter while having lover's spats with AOC, makes up damn near the rest.

[-] Dalek@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

I saw that on the news. Ted Cruz or somehting aint he? Walks like Bigfoot.

[-] roux@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

He's a total piece of shit. We got him, Abbott, Paxton, and Ronny Jackson. It fucking sucks here.

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