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Fake nature is the pinnacle of capitalism. Yes I include China
China is really refining capitalism into its own new monster.
Idk who’s capitalism monster scares me the most now.
Indeed: who is capitalism monster, really?
Initially I thought you meant 'whose', but this is funnier.
Although- what would you consider fake nature? There is a wetland park that was artificially turned into a wetland after reclaiming farmland for it. But it's also legitimately a wetland with all the native plants and animals that go with it and it serves the same sort of water filtration purpose of a real wetland.
So is it fake nature?
I am in no way a fan of capitalism, but let's define terms here.
Are you a Maoist, then?
Literally the government doing it. How is that capitalism?
There is a vast resource of nearly all of humanity's collective knowledge that you can tap to learn why a govt doing something doesn't mean it's not capitalism.
"What does error code XYZ mean on my 40 year old limited run old-tech device from a company that stopped existing 39 years ago and never made a manual"
Vs
"Is Earth round"
Let's try it with this post
Oh wow look at that an answer
Clicking on the link even gives you more answer!
Why use brain when can ask?
Does the govt hold a monopoly on violence? Then its not capitalism
The government does not hold a monopoly on violence. You can just start punching people and they can just start punching you back.
It's illegal to punch someone unprovoked, unless you are a cop; there is no legal repercussions for law enforcement to hit you in your sexy face. So no, the monopoly still remains with the government.
It's illegal when a cop does it, too. Although enforcement is scattershot at best. Spousal abuse statistics confirm as much.
Sizeable civil legal settlements suggest otherwise.
State Capitalism
a political system in which the state has control of production and the use of capital.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
So communism by another name?
Yes in the sense that all communist countries are state capitalism, no in the sense that it betrays the very ideology of communism.
If you think about it it's very much the same structure as a big business, with the "boss" at the very top, the party being the shareholders and executives swallowing all the profits and at the bottom are all the workers getting the shaft.
The main differences with normal capitalism is that the state here has an army, police and a full monopoly, so the party can literally do whatever they want to whoever they want within China. They don't play by the rules, they write the rules, ie, a capitalist wet dream.
If every time comminism is tried, it turns into one specific bad thing, then wouldnt that mean that communism is inherently flawed?
Maybe ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don't think so, no. If anything it shows it's difficult to achieve.
If every time someone is born, they die, then wouldn't that mean that life is inherently worthless?
Ignoring whatever semantic arguments about socialism and communism, it's easier to just point out that statement isn't true.
Employee-owned businesses are socialist - in the actual definition of socialism where capital is owned by the workers. They work fine, maybe even better than capitalist businesses.
Fire departments are socialist - in a slightly different definition where a non-capital resource is owned by a community. They definitely work better than the capitalist versions that used to exist.
The problem with saying anything communist always fails is that they only call it communism when it fails. When it succeeds they just call it something else.
True Communism has never been tried on a large scale. It's always authoritarians calling themselves Communist.
But yes, it is flawed in that humans are too tribal for it to work on a large scale.
Did you really just a "not true communism"?
I swear tankies are a meme.
I thought tankies are the ones who like the "not true communisms" of authoritarian countries. It seems to be becoming a general "person I disagree with" term nowadays. Do they usually say Communism is flawed?
Not necessarily, it could just mean that the vast majority of the time it would be legitimately implemented, a larger country that doesn't like communism spends a lot of time and money interfering with it
Russia and China are plenty big.
I wonder if there's a reason why I said "the vast majority" and "legitimately implemented"
Nah I'm sure I only picked those words because they sound nice
If you cant survive with the support of china behind you, your system is shit
In this very thread, like six parent comments up, it was already established that China is not communist
And I stated that state capitalism is communism by another name.
And I said you're wrong, because it's not. Let's just agree that you're wrong and stop wasting 1s and 0s
No, it's pretty distinct from communism, which is why it's not called that
No.
There are other adverbs.
He literally doesn't know them
It’s a figurative misunderstanding
But it's being used correctly for a change!
CCP is just a business. The richest by design of course
Dude Tencent owns CCP now.... Oh not that CCP.....
Same people.
Capitalism is when bad things happen.
The planet is literally on fire directly caused by capitalism.
The housing crisis is because houses are seen as an investment vehicle instead of a basic human right.
The inflation is caused by corporations squeezing the population as much as they can to get every little cent they can.
Everything capitalism touch withers. There isn't much new innovation anymore, just mega corpos buying other companies to stop the competition and lock the market.
What gets me about the mentality is that they blame capitalism for everything they don't like and somehow imagine that none of those things would exist in a different system - it feels like they've never really thought about the reality of any other system.
Why would people living under true real communism not want a pretty waterfall? Do workers stop wanting a nice day out when their employer is state run?