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Conservatives joke that progressives just blow with the wind from one controversy to the next. But I can't help but notice the anti-Biden "left" shifted hard from Genocide Joe to Bad debate Performance without skipping a beat or looking back.
Almost like the people stoking these fires don't really care about left issues at all.
Why would that not be the case? People despise both candidates, a new candidate free of all Biden's bullshit would be nothing but good.
At this point I'm convinced people who reject the idea of Biden stepping down want a Democratic loss in November. There's no one actually this committed to Joe Biden.
Biden, the current president, is actually doing a pretty good job.
Who would you suggest take over?
Agreed, I'm getting pretty sick of morons on the left holding him to unreasonable standards. So what, he had a bad performance at a debate. That doesn't mean his politics aren't good, that doesn't mean he didn't do a fine job as president. He isn't an existential threat to America like Trump is.
Okay, we can say he's done a fine job in aggregate and that he's probably our only shot at beating Trump, but that does not mean his politics are good.
Gretchen Whitmer
He's doing an alright job, but it doesn't matter what I think, or what you think, it matters what the country as a whole thinks and his approval ratings are lower then Trump's were at the depths of covid
As for who would replace him, looks like Michelle Obama's got the best chance but even with the others it seems, besides Kamala, they suffer more from lack of name recognition since they put more voters in the don't know. If Biden would open the question up and allow them to "campaign" up into the convention maybe we could get a clearer sense of what people want. Maybe it is Biden but with the lack of a real primary this season and his decline in the polls we don't know.
When was the last time a sitting president had a primary?
Biden and Trump are sitting within 1.5% in polls right now, it’s neck and neck.
It was 1980 , which was also the last time a democrat had an approval rating this low . Before Carter that was lbj and at least he had the good sense to not even run.
Did you miss the part where Biden and Trump are neck and neck in the polls?
Why change 44 years of tradition if they’re both within the margin of error?
Fuck tradition, this election is unprecedented. His opponent is a CONVICTED FELON and he's still down in the polls. He has historically low approval numbers, is the oldest person to ever take office, and his opponents seem lined up to deny the election and orchestrate a coup regardless of the result.
Also we still have the electoral college, being neck and neck and barely squeaking by 1% will not win us the election. Hillary won the popular vote by 2% and still lost. Biden had to win by 4.5% to win a close race in the electoral college by barely taking Wisconsin, Michigan and Arizona, states where he's currently down by 2-5%.
The situation is not looking good and the stakes are high after the supreme Court ruling. Something's gotta change, whether that be Joe stepping down or his team hopping him up on Adderall and going on a mass speaking and press tour to ensure the American people.
it's not 44 years: it's two. 1996 and 2012 were the only years a sitting Democrat ran for president.
I’m talking about a sitting president, I don’t care what party they are in.
oh, i don't have republican traditions.
Ya sure do. Misinformation and bad faith arguments all corner stones of Republican traditions.
Now report my comment like you always do.
I would have thought that mods would start picking up on that type of behavior.
jill stein is not in the gop. calling another user names is your prerogative, but it has nothing to do with me, and it doesn't have any bearing on whether we should break with "tradition". this is basically a string of bad faith an non sequitur attacks in the guise of a comment.
Cool story bro.
Those numbers are from polls taken before the debate. According to leaked internal polls, Biden is down in Pennsylvania (which is the tipping point state) by 7.3%, following what was the worst week of the campaign. Once new polls come out, we'll get a clearer picture of how much further behind he is than he was before.
Biden, the current president, is doing a milquetoast job. In fact, most of the things I hate about the current administration, like their bizarre about face on border policy and their love of genocide, have been things he's directly worked on.
The very few precious wins this administration has achieved have been thanks to the FCC and bipartisan work done by House minority leader Hakeem Jeffries. Great wins, certainly love our government not shutting down after months of gridlock, but the kinda wins any Democrat's administration could get.
Biden's term has been defined by him doing the bare minimum. I think it's fair for people to think any other Democrat could step in and continue doing the bare minimum.
I remember the last election, with the pandemic, economy and country going to absolute shit and I'm very happy that things are calm and quiet this time around.
Biden is doing a good job.
Lowering your standards to "not causing an immediate disaster" is a pretty poor idea, especially when there's an ongoing genocide supported by the U.S. and fascists are actively destroying our government before our eyes.
Navigating us out of that mess was impressive.
I'll vote Biden again and work with my next preferred candidate to hopefully get some fresh young blood on as the DNC nominee in 2028.
Anyone/anything. A dog, a pile of sawdust, don't care as long as it's not a genocidal right-winger.
Very vague but I asked you for a specific person you think has a chance.
What? How is that vague? I'm saying I'm open to whoever replaces him, why is that difficult to understand? It's an incredibly flexible position, dealers choice as long as it's not Biden or Clinton.
Does the super low bar make it difficult for you to try and make me seem unreasonable or uncompromising? Is that what this is? It just breaks the script you had prepped or something?
No, I'm asking what you say is an easy question but you're unable to answer it.
Why are you unable to accept that I'd literally vote for anyone besides Biden or Clinton, that makes no sense.
If he steps down it's not going to be an open primary, so it doesn't matter what my ideal preference is because it's the convention that would be picking the nominee, or it would possibly be Harris.
So I'm saying whoever that party pick is, I'd vote for them, and you're saying that's unacceptable for whatever reason. It's Schrodinger's politician, I don't know who they're going to pick until they pick them, and at the moment that they do select someone I will know who I'm voting for.
That's the second time you've brought up Clinton.
When did she start running again?
I'm asking how you think has a chance because I'm curious but it sounds like you think Biden is the absolute worse choice if you'd rather vote anyone else besides him.
I'm listing the two politicians I wouldn't vote for, since it's quicker than listing the ones I would vote for.
Mention Clinton I'm just addressing a potential, since the neoliberal media was trying to float the idea few months back of replacing Harris with Clinton. I've learned not to underestimate the lengths Democrats will go to in order to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, I could see them trying to do something stupid like trying to nominate Clinton in the event Biden is convinced to step down. You wanted specifics, so I gave them.
Now you're getting it!
This tells me you don’t have zero idea what it takes to satisfy the gape of the fence-sitters needed to beat Trump.
Democrats win when the left comes out, not the vapor that is undecided voters.
Anyone undecided about Trump at this point is not worth wasting your breath on.
Democrats, have for a decent period of time, showed up. Look at the votes in major elections since 2008. Republicans have only won on technicalities for a while now, exploiting weak points of our system like voter suppression/partisan judges/foreign assistance. When all that fails they attempt a coup.
You may think centrists are not worth your time, but they decide the purple electoral votes, and those are pivotal to winning outright. You will die of lack of oxygen holding your breath for them.
Are there fence-sitters? Pretty sure there are basically only dedicated Trump voters and people who'd vote for anyone but Trump.
If you have to ask if there are centrists who vote for whoever ruffles the least amount of feathers, I don’t even know what to say to you. You have literally zero idea why both parties spend millions on capturing that vote. You can’t fathom that there are people just fine with the status quo.
I can’t believe you actually asked that lmaoooo