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I almost spit out my 9th glass of wine the other day when I read what one young voter in Philadelphia told NBC News about why she is disillusioned about the upcoming presidential election.

“I don’t think the presidency has too much of an effect on what happens in my day-to-day life,” said Pru Carmichael, who supported Biden in 2020 but says she will not vote for president at all this year if she has to choose between the disappointing incumbent and former President Trump.

Seriously?

Stipple-style portrait illustration of Robin Abcarian OPINION COLUMNIST

Robin Abcarian

Read more from Robin Abcarian Maybe she believes she will never have an unintended, unwanted pregnancy. (However, if she does, she is lucky enough to live in Pennsylvania, where abortion is still legal.)

But how can she not appreciate the profound changes the Trump presidency inflicted on this country? Had there been no President Trump, there would be no ultraconservative majority on the Supreme Court, no Dobbs decision overturning nearly half a century of reproductive rights, no outright abortion bans in 13 states and no suffering by people like Kate Cox of Texas, who was forced to seek abortion care in another state after the Texas Supreme Court said she could not abort her severely compromised fetus, who suffered a condition that was incompatible with life.

This image provided by Kate Cox shows Kate Cox. A Texas judge has given the pregnant woman whose fetus had a fatal diagnosis permission to get an abortion in an unprecedented challenge to the state’s ban that took effect after Roe v. Wade was overturned last year. It was unclear Thursday, Dec. 7, 2023 how quickly or whether Kate Cox, a 31-year-old mother of two from the Dallas area, will be able to obtain an abortion. State District Judge Maya Guerra Gamble says she will grant a temporary restraining order that will allow Cox to have an abortion. (Kate Cox via AP) OPINION

Opinion: A Texas case shows how cruel and illusory the latest abortion-ban exceptions can be Dec. 13, 2023

In 2020, the youngest American voters were squarely in Biden’s corner. According to exit polls, 65% of those 18 to 24 years old chose him, the largest percentage of any age group. And yet, if recent national polls are to be believed, voters up to age 34 have grown disenchanted with the president. Perhaps this is a reflection on the impatience of youth, or, worse, a fundamentally weak grasp on how government operates.

Listen to what younger voters told NBC News they’re upset about: the country’s slow pace on reversing climate change, Biden’s failure to fully cancel student loan debt, his inability to federally codify the right to abortion and, perhaps most starkly, his handling of Israel’s war against Hamas and the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

“I mean, he made a lot of really big promises in his campaign and virtually none of them were followed through on,” one poll respondent, Austin Kapp, 25, of Colorado, told NBC News.

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Think Biden’s doing badly? Check out the polling for these other Western leaders Dec. 17, 2023

Well, hey. The president doesn’t operate in a vacuum.

He did try to cancel student loan debt, and managed to erasenearly $132 billion of it, but the Supreme Court’s right-wing majority blocked his plan to cancel so much more.

He did try to codify Roe, but was unable to marshal the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster by Senate Republicans.

And what has Trump been doing about abortion, besides taking credit for the overturning of Roe vs. Wade? He’s urging Republicans to mislead voters: “In order to win in 2024, Republicans must learn how to properly talk about abortion,” he told a group of Iowa supporters in September. “This issue cost us unnecessarily but dearly in the midterms.”

People march in in Amarillo, Texas, on Feb. 11 to protest a lawsuit to ban the abortion drug mifepristone
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Abcarian: Who will make abortion pill rules? A bunch of right-wing judges, or FDA scientists? Dec. 15, 2023

We now know, thanks to the horrific experience of Cox and other women who have brought suit in Texas, that the idea of an “exception” to abortion bans for cases of rape, incest, fetal anomalies or the health of the pregnant person is nothing more than a shimmering lie, a mirage to make abortion bans slightly more palatable to the majority of Americans who support a woman’s right to choose.

As for the Middle East crisis, even if you agree that Biden’s handling of the situation has been uneven, why would anyone think Trump, an outspoken supporter of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, would handle it better, particularly if your sympathies lie more with the Palestinians caught in the violence than the Israeli government’s response to the Oct. 7 Hamas attack?

On the campaign trail, Trump has signaled a lack of engagement in the conflict, suggesting that he would “let this play out.” His one concrete suggestion? In an interview with Univision in November, he said that Israel needed to “do a better job of public relations, frankly, because the other side is beating them at the public relations front.”

FILE - In this Monday, Jan. 4, 2021, file photo, President Donald Trump gestures at a campaign rally in support of Senate candidates Sen. Kelly Loeffler, R-Ga., and David Perdue in Dalton, Ga. Trump will travel to Texas on Tuesday, Jan. 12, 2021, to trumpet one of the pillars of his presidency: his campaign against illegal immigration. It's part of an effort by aides to try to salvage a Trump legacy that will forever be stained by the siege he incited on the U.S. Capitol the week before. (AP Photo/Brynn Anderson, File) OPINION

Abcarian: Believe Trump when he vows revenge on the news media. MAGA shock troops are already on the attack Dec. 13, 2023

He has also pledged to “revoke the student visas of radical anti-American and antisemitic foreigners at our colleges and universities, and we will send them straight back home.” (Muslim ban, anyone?) Does that sound like an appealing counter-message for the 70% of voters under 35 who told NBC News pollsters they disapprove of the way Biden has handled the war?

With 2024 upon us, and the first contests of the Republican presidential primaries set to take place on Jan. 15 in Iowa and on Jan. 23 in New Hampshire, barring some unforeseen development it could become clear very quickly that the much-indicted Trump is bound for the November ballot as the Republican presidential nominee.

A Suffolk University/USA Today poll released on New Year’s Day showed that Trump is out-polling Biden among groups the pollsters described as “stalwarts of the Democratic base,” that is, Hispanics and younger voters. Biden’s support among Black Americans has also slipped significantly, though he still leads Trump.

Explosions caused by Israeli airstrikes in the northern Gaza Strip, Friday, Oct. 27, 2023. (AP Photo/Abed Khaled) OPINION

Abcarian: She got fired for condemning Palestinians. He got fired for blaming Israel. Is that right? Oct. 29, 2023

This is alarming, not catastrophic. Biden, and Democrats, have time to make their case. I remain skeptical that the Democratic base will not come home by November, particularly as Trump continues to embrace his inner dictator on the campaign trail.

“A Republican getting elected isn’t the end. It is the beginning of a much larger fight,” a 23-year-old Wisconsin Starbucks worker and union organizer who is considering withholding his vote from Biden told NBC News. “I want to show the Democratic Party as a young person that you still need to earn our vote and if you don’t, the consequences will be your career.”

Teach Democrats a lesson by electing a democracy-destroying authoritarian?

My mother used to call that cutting off your dick to spite your ass.

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[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 79 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

“I don’t think the presidency has too much of an effect on what happens in my day-to-day life,” said Pru Carmichael, who supported Biden in 2020 but says she will not vote for president at all this year if she has to choose between the disappointing incumbent and former President Trump.

Seriously?
Maybe she believes she will never have an unintended, unwanted pregnancy. (However, if she does, she is lucky enough to live in Pennsylvania, where abortion is still legal.)

Yes, thank you for being condescending about Pru's position while validating it in the same sentence. jagoff

[-] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 74 points 10 months ago

Did they forget who was president when Roe v. Wade was overturned?

[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago

Lol she does mention it but blames Trump's packed supreme court for it.

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 48 points 10 months ago

Of course liberals will never consider that literally any republican would have packed the court when it was wide open for packing like that, noooo it must ne the uniquely evil Trump

Never mind Obungler leaving the court open like that because everyone assumed hillary-contempt was gonna win

There are many things Trump deserves blame for, this isn't really one of them

[-] Rom@hexbear.net 43 points 10 months ago

Or the fact that Dems had almost 50 years, several times in which they had majorities in both houses of congress + the presidency, where they could have codified abortion rights into law, yet they didn't.

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[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 42 points 10 months ago

Damn it's almost as if states are doing the legwork for Biden...

[-] Rom@hexbear.net 69 points 10 months ago

As for the Middle East crisis, even if you agree that Biden’s handling of the situation has been uneven, why would anyone think Trump, an outspoken supporter of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, would handle it better, particularly if your sympathies lie more with the Palestinians caught in the violence than the Israeli government’s response to the Oct. 7 Hamas attack?

"Uneven"? Is that what they're calling open support of a genocide now?

[-] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 54 points 10 months ago

It's so fucking weaselly, by making that point about Trump being buddies with Netanyahu she is all but saying the thing is bad, while at the same time trying to soft ball Biden DOING THE FUCKING THING as if it's some kind of "hard truth you just have to accept." So which one fucking is it then? Pick a lane, asshole

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 50 points 10 months ago

"But Trump would also support a genoci-"

Great, kill both of them and maybe you'll get my attention.

[-] SnAgCu@hexbear.net 54 points 10 months ago

The 18-to-25 set is annoyed about climate change, student loans, abortion bans and Gaza. Why on Earth would they think a Biden win would help?

[-] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 44 points 10 months ago

Was going to say no one's voting, there's a huge group of people who don't vote for this literal exact reason, election after election, they're totally ignored and told to eat shit.

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 53 points 10 months ago

Maybe, crackerverse, just maybe, this is the point where you actually come to the bargaining table and they just gave 15 bajillion dollars to every PD in the nation to slab out more Black folk, and 50 gorillion more to the genocidal settlers in Occupied Palestine. Death to the Democrat party, death to the Republican party, death to the settler empire

[-] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 52 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

tough shit fuckheads try having good policies

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 51 points 10 months ago

The 18-to-25 set is annoyed about climate change, student loans, abortion bans and Gaza. Why on Earth would they think a Biden win would help?

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[-] FnordPrefect@hexbear.net 48 points 10 months ago

the-democrat "That's right, three elections, one platform: We're Not Trump!"

[-] Kuori@hexbear.net 46 points 10 months ago

annoyed about climate change, student loans, abortion bans and Gaza

annoyed about

annoyed

yes it's true the kids are feeling somewhat put out by all the genocide and planet-killing. those silly billies, don't they understand there are more important things at stake here???

this person should spend the rest of their life living in a latrine

[-] M68040@hexbear.net 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Closer to 30 than 25, but hell, if the dems aren't gonna take their own shit seriously what's my reason to? We're on track to make Kerry look dignified. Might as well get my little "A plague on both your houses" bit in on the way out.

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 40 points 10 months ago

Might as well get my little "A plague on both your houses" bit in on the way out.

Yeah but reality is still a bit ahead of us on that one

joker-amerikkklap corona-and-lime

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 41 points 10 months ago
[-] Doubledee@hexbear.net 40 points 10 months ago
[-] Sushi_Desires@hexbear.net 39 points 10 months ago
[-] Bnova@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

I'm gonna use this one.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

Teach Democrats a lesson

We want actual fucking change, liberal deadenders stop projecting your fetish for punishment and control onto people with actual principles challenge, difficulty level ontologically impossible.

[-] SovietyWoomy@hexbear.net 38 points 10 months ago

Really, blue maga? You want to teach me a lesson by letting Trump back into the white house instead of voting psl with me?

[-] ElGosso@hexbear.net 32 points 10 months ago

First of all, you fucked up the link

Second of all, I can tell from the title that this is a Dunk Tank post hst-gun so why isn't it in the Dunk Tank

[-] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 31 points 10 months ago

This should be in the dunk tank

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[-] DrCrustacean@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

im thinking if they want people to vote for them, they should use the power they've been granted in past elections to pass legislation to benefit the demographics they're relying on. that's just what I think tho

[-] JoBo@feddit.uk 13 points 10 months ago

“For every blue-collar Democrat we lose in western Pennsylvania, we will pick up two moderate Republicans in the suburbs in Philadelphia, and you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.” -- Chuck Schumer, 2016

Their position then, their position now. They are entirely incapable of learning anything.

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[-] footfaults@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

I decided to hurt myself and look at the reddit-logo comments in /r/politics for this story

[-] Barabas@hexbear.net 22 points 10 months ago

Who cares about small issues like those, you gotta look at the big picture. Genocide, climate collapse, constant debt and creeping (not so much creeping as already there) fascism are just facts of life, so you better buckle up and vote buttercup if you don’t want it to go slightly faster.

Remember when the libs pretended to care about the border wall and detention camps? One of the few things that Biden has unilaterally approved other than more ammo to fuel genocide is building the border wall, somehow there was no parliamentarian there to stop that.

[-] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

here comes the lecture lol

[-] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago

Did you link a url that tells archive.org to save the page, instead of linking the saved copy of that page?

[-] YourMom@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago

my bad. new to the archive stuff

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[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 20 points 10 months ago

The democrats have affordable access to young people's votes.

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 16 points 10 months ago
[-] Egon@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

How is it this hard to understand that a representative democracy works by having people vote for those which they believe represent them, and the Dems aren't representing anybody by saying "well we could be the republicans"

[-] huf@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

Really, democrats? You want to teach the working class a lesson by letting Trump back into the White House?

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 15 points 10 months ago

this is a "save" link, so every time someone loads it it tries to re-archive the page. it no longer loads because the daily limit on saves is 26

This is the wrong link, this is the link for capturing a site not for viewing it.

[-] marxistsynths19@lemmy.ml 11 points 10 months ago

Yes it’s time

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