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[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 65 points 9 months ago

love the 28,326,000 to 126,891,000 range, just absolutely adore it. You'd think 100 million people wouldnt just fucking disappear without any trace, the fucking nazis went hard on death camps and left massive amounts of evidence. Did Stalin drop all the people into hammerspace? Did Lenin personally shove every single person into a bag of holding??

the fucking victims of communism book has been a disaster for the human race stalin-gun-1stalin-gun-2

[-] anaesidemus@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

I think a good chunk of that number is everyone who died on the eastern front in WW2, yes even the Nazis

[-] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 58 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This is exactly the kind of conclusion double genocide theory was intended to produce. You start by pretending that you care about ethnic minorities so you can still pretend to be the good guy but you still conclude with "at the end of the day, the NAZIs weren't that bad compared to the true evil the soviets."

[-] huf@hexbear.net 56 points 9 months ago

the entire population of the SU was <300M just before the fall... the only way you could get something like 126M is if you just count everyone that died of old age or ww2...

so i guess the source must be the victims of communism foundation.

[-] invalidusernamelol@hexbear.net 36 points 9 months ago

Even better is that those numbers include non-births. Like they're using the same logic that anti-abortion nuts use.

When a western nation has stabilizing birth rates it's a sign of progress, but when the soviet's went through the same process, every reduction in birthrate was extrapolated over it's whole history as "victims".

[-] LeZero@hexbear.net 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

6 million is the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust, maybe let's not forget (again and again) about the Roma people, the homosexuals, the communists, the soviets POW as well as civilians and the disabled people (and probably other groups I forgot) who got killed as well

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

And half of these 6 million Jews were Soviet citizens.

[-] CascadeOfLight@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

To add a couple of related facts: German POWs captured by the Soviets had a death rate of 14%, Soviet POWs of the Germans had a death rate of 54% - and Soviet POWs were the first people killed in the gas chambers of Auschwitz.

Jewish deaths in the Holocaust cannot be disentangled from Germany's colonial extermination campaign against the peoples of the Soviet Union.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

IIRC the number becomes ~12m if you factor in the other groups?

[-] LeZero@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago

I've read 17 million victims if you factor every group

[-] KobaCumTribute@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

IIRC it's ~12 million captive civilians and ~17 million captives including both civilians and POWs. Counting non-captives killed by the Nazis sends the number up over 30 million AFAIK.

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 7 points 9 months ago

Literally every single european theatre casuality in WWII is on the nazis.

[-] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 44 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

one of the most noticeable impacts of inflation is what it's doing to communism death tolls over the years. experts say that we'll be at 150 million deaths from communism by the end of 2025 if historical interest rates are not increased

[-] nemoTheCatfish@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

the line must go up but instead it's the number of "communist-related fatalities" since the 1880s

[-] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 9 months ago

the Fed has no plans to raise interest rates at this time

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 37 points 9 months ago
[-] plinky@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago

My man, with that error range you can't write such precision, D-.

[-] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

If you think about it, the demographic transition is responsible for tens of billions of deaths. very-normal

[-] sisatici@hexbear.net 24 points 9 months ago

Cool, now let's count how many deaths USA has caused

[-] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 34 points 9 months ago

In 1929, a failed attempt at imposing unfair regulation on free business by the Hooverist regime caused a widespread economic collapse known as "The Great Depression". This event caused widespread losses in standard of living as many citizens were unable to find work or afford basic necessities

This loss of standard of living was exacerbated in 1934 when the Rooseveltist regime implemented failed farming policies resulting in multiple droughts known today as the "Dust Bowl", widely known as an attempted genocide by the Rooseveltist regime against the farmer class

Despite the history of these two events being known, the rogue "republic" of the United States continues to deny any deaths caused by these policy failures. Occasionally in their propaganda they will admit that a "few Wall Street investors" may have died, but this is simply disinformation

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No those were all personal moral failings.

[-] Hestia@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

All those deaths were commies, so they don't count.

[-] WaterBowlSlime@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 9 months ago

They do count, but towards the death toll of communism. Because the US wouldn't've killed them if they weren't commies of course!

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago

people don't talk about [random vague bullshit] but instead [talk about the Holocaust]

Holocaust Trivialization is a type of Holocaust Denial.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago

If the soviets lost the war, they would’ve been exterminated and the Nazi reputation would still be given to the Nazis, except this time everyone celebrates and encourages Germany to keep going.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 9 months ago

Even ignoring the "everytime an anti-com quotes the black book of communism the death toll rises by a million" thing going on here,

Why would the Soviets have killed a bunch of people during WW2? What were those Germans doing in the USSR? WHY WERE THEY THERE?

Fascists going to fash I guess. We've got a greatest hits here really, holocaust trivialisation, Black book of communism numbers, pretending that the evil commies just murdered a bunch of innocent German holidayers, only thing it is missing is claiming that the Germans "would've" won if the Soviets didn't cheat with their ebil human waves.

Only thing they get right is yeah, if the Soviets lost, the western powers probably would've blamed them for all of the Nazi's atrocities. Except this fucker thinks that would've been a good thing.

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

I'll have you know my 80 million death count (+/- 50 million) is a very reliable number.

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