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submitted 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) by CredibleBattery@hexbear.net to c/games@hexbear.net

this silly little post managed to make the redditors over at the disco elysium sub drop bangers like

''Orwell is cursed to be misunderstood by both left and right cri cri''

''How dare the Union do [CRIME] to fund their militant activities?? Don't they know [CRIME] is BAD!??''

This ain't even a media literacy issue, this is a literacy skill issue.

stop-posting-amogus

Look at my communists dawg! We're never getting anywhere! agony-acid

link, because I am not a liberal

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[-] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 77 points 5 months ago

It’s entirely intentional that Joyce is one of the more affable people you come across juxtaposed to Evrart who is an unscrupulous sleazeball; yet one is knowingly an agent of Capital perpetuating misery (and eventually death) in Revachol while the other represents a net good for Martinaise and potentially a force for positive change, however messy and flawed. The game isn't even subtle about it.

People hung up on his amoral actions in that thread are apparently missing the wider context about how bleak things are in a city where Corpos feel comfortable enough to hire bloodthirsty, racist mercenaries to break strikes. Or how every little bit of organized struggle on the ground is what revolutions (“The Return”) are made of.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 74 points 5 months ago

i think a lot of liberals completely miss that most people talk to the main character like a cop, because that's what he is. Joyce is warm and welcoming to HDB because he's a cop. Evrart is smarmy and sends HDB on wild goose chases because he's a cop who collaborates with the board of directors of the very company who Evrart is striking against. The entire game takes place from the perspective of a dumbass alcoholic amnesiac cop and that colors every encounter you have with people. Like I've heard liberals try to say the game actually mocks all political ideologies, including communism, because the communist characters are rude to you, or they waste your time, or they're mistrustful of you. Yeah no shit, because every one of them looks at you and sees a pig.

[-] utopologist@hexbear.net 44 points 5 months ago

It's as if you don't believe a cop could be a socialist revolutionary

[-] axont@hexbear.net 51 points 5 months ago

spoilers

well it's not just me. The only person who takes Harry seriously by the end of the communist vision quest is Kim. That's either because Kim's got a good read on people, or he trusts Harry, or maybe it's because Kim's spent the most time with Harry so he realizes all the socialist stuff isn't an act. He'll describe you a "Mazovian socio-economist" to your colleagues at the end of the game, adding something like "He wants to liquidate the capitalist class, which is highly unusual for a police officer."

No one else believes Harry is an actual socialist. Mañana humors Harry briefly, but that guy has a very chill attitude and I could never get a good idea on what he's actually thinking.

Someone here once said something to me like "the deserter and Harry are both bad communists for opposite reasons." The deserter because he's lost all connection with the public, and Harry because he's a goofy amnesiac cop who's never read a single sentence of theory and lives off vibes. Harry's got his heart in the right place though by the end of the game, which is shown as being way more important

[-] bbnh69420@hexbear.net 25 points 5 months ago

I think that was a reference to when you ask Elizabeth when they’re moving on to armed revolution and she laughs it off

[-] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

The two student communists seem convinced of Harry’s genuineness by the end of the quest, even if they still acknowledge him as “gendarme”. Helps when you’ve accrued enough commie points and read through some theory to get the better ending.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Yeah, you're right. I didn't mention those two because I interpreted the students as representing very young, western armchair leftists. Or ultras. Who knows what they'll find genuine next week

Or they represent the very common experience of wanting to connect with leftists in your area, you hype yourself up to get a revolution started, then discover the local party is two guys who hang out in an attic and argue over three sentences of theory. This game is too real.

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 30 points 5 months ago

The other element to this is it illustrates that politeness is a function of power and privilege. Joyce can afford to be affable to whomever she wants because she has nigh unlimited resources and a private army and is capable of doing whatever dirty work needs done out of the collective eye (Capital only has to drop the mask for an instant). Claire also dissembles and uses people to accomplish his goals, but it's because he has to outmaneuver an opponent with superior resources and institutional power. He's easier to "see through" than Joyce because he works out of a shipping container rather than a fancy boat and would look silly trying to talk and act like Joyce. He has to fit into his milieu.

There's something that's removedled at me ever since I wised up to the fact that politeness is used as a weapon to stifle dissent. At first I thought it arose as an unconscious reaction because people instinctively realize that it reinforces the status quo, but seeing politicians constantly harp on politeness (even otherwise abrasive assholes like many republicans), I've come around to the idea that the wealthy have always understood its role as a weapon. I know most politicians come across as idiotic and tone deaf, but you don't get to national office without understanding that people are malleable and tend to reflect whatever energy you put out. Smarm is kind of a poor man's version of that, the double bluff where you can't fake sincerity but you can come across like you're acting like you're faking. The game does a good job of illustrating it by putting you on your back foot with the negotiations if you accept the giant novelty check.

When it comes down to it Evrart and Joyce are converging on similar psychological principles but from opposite ends of the sociopolitical spectrum.

[-] nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago

That's a pretty interesting point. I kind of wish there was an option to make the communist rant you can give Joyce more coherent.

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 7 points 5 months ago

if it came coherent out of a cop's mouth, it would be realistic

[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 53 points 5 months ago

Libs only hear tone and chuds only see aesthetics so evrart never had a chance

[-] davel@hexbear.net 48 points 5 months ago

I bought the game months ago but still haven’t played it, and if I keep procrastinating Hexbear will have already given me all the spoilers.

[-] CredibleBattery@hexbear.net 43 points 5 months ago

consider this post a warning cure-for-fascism

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 36 points 5 months ago

Get back in the gaming mines, or else knifecat

[-] take_five_seconds@hexbear.net 32 points 5 months ago

go play it nerd

[-] EllenKelly@hexbear.net 27 points 5 months ago

I keep telling my partner to finally sitdown and play it, just reminding them that yes there's a million words in the game, but they read basically everything out to you now, and the voice acting is amazing

[-] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 26 points 5 months ago

What are you WAITING FOR?

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 42 points 5 months ago
[-] StalinIsMaiWaifu@lemmygrad.ml 31 points 5 months ago

Why gun when you can hadouokan a Molotov with a funny tie

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 39 points 5 months ago

There's an ancient radio show called Nero Wolfe, which is about what if Phoenix Wright was a fat gourmand who didn't like to leave his apartment so he sent minions out to bring him information and then solved crimes while also enjoying really good food. I love old timey radio detective shows.

[-] IMF_DOOM@hexbear.net 19 points 5 months ago

there's a cool tv show by the bbc called Inside Man with stanley tucci and david tennant in it which is basically the same thing but instead the detective is actually locked in a maximum security prison on death row for murdering his wife

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 5 months ago

So it's like the Hannibal Lecter series but without the weird sex stuff?

[-] Bay_of_Piggies@hexbear.net 38 points 5 months ago

C'mon, the cool union man says "yeah, he's corrupt, but he's on our side". Think people think.

[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 31 points 5 months ago

heroism is when you do things Society and other people like and the more you conform and do things other people like the more heroic you are (please do not question the implications of this definition)

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 27 points 5 months ago

Superhero movies and anime have taught me that heroism is when you uphold the status quo.

[-] bazingabrain@hexbear.net 11 points 5 months ago

So the more i jack off the more heroic i am, got it centrist

[-] EelBolshevikism@hexbear.net 8 points 5 months ago

Oh my god, it’s the savior of humanity

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 30 points 5 months ago

The mind of a G*mer is clouded by treats and blinded by liberalism

[-] radio_free_asgarthr@hexbear.net 21 points 5 months ago

Never trust a social democrat that quotes Mazov!

[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 17 points 5 months ago

Organized labor can have a little nixonian plotting and gambitting, as a treat

[-] M68040@hexbear.net 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I kind of thought The Claires' whole thing was that they were willing to do some cutthroat things and actively leaned into the sleazy characterization others gave them, but ultimately they were ideologically committed players with an eye for strategy? Seemed intended to be contentious in the same way a lot of real life socialist visionaries - hell, visionaries of any sort - often are.

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