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[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 161 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Russian officials publicly assure the world that their invasion will only last 1 week due to their overwhelming military superiority.

109 weeks later without a victory, losing twice as many soldiers and equipment, Russian officials swear that the US, not an active combatant, is going to be so embarrassed.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was watching an analysis on the 2023 progress of the war. The author said that while he acknowledges that Russia seems to have the favour making the war a stalemate and took more strategic, albeit small, locations than Ukraine did; this leads to Catch-22 for Kremlin that the more Ukraine struggles, the more money Ukraine will receive which is not on Russia's favour.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's also the fact that Russia never really seemed to account for most of its monetary and material taps getting turned off. When you're (ALLEGEDLY) throwing conscripts out there without even a single full magazine of ammo, you're burning through old post-WWII ammo stocks, and constantly having to beg old SSR states "hey can we buy/borrow some of your tanks and APCs please," it doesn't look great.

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[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 118 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The Kremlin warned that American support for Ukraine could turn into a decade-long folly, urging the U.S. to not oppose its invasion of the country as Congress appears set to pass a $60 billion aid package.

Buried lede: Russia thinks its "three-day special military operation to ~~de-nazify~~ ~~remove US biolabs~~ ~~de-NATO Ukraine~~ resurrect the Soviet Union" could take a decade. 😂

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, they think they might need a decade to defeat a power that has a fifth of its military size, and which has, so far, roundly managed to make a laughingstock out of much of the Russian military.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Let's assume Ukraine and all the funding it receives does delay it a decade and Russia eventually wins.

Isn't that still a resounding success delaying Russia by 10 years and crippling them from the extended war?

It might suck for Ukraine, but from a foreign policy perspective that's a success

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[–] avater@lemmy.world 90 points 1 year ago (1 children)

funny that the Russkis mention Afghanistan 😅

And as always, as long as the cunts in Russia are complaining and riding their propaganda train at full speed, we are doing something right.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These brainiacs had concerts singing Gruppa Krovi from Kino to recruits early in the war. A literal Afghanistan-era Soviet anti-war anthem. They have no sense of irony.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 82 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey Putin, remind me again how many days into your 3-day special military operation you are?

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk 70 points 1 year ago (14 children)

Yeah, Afghanistan was pretty embarrasing for the USSR

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 year ago

Here's what stories I remember from USSR-Afghanistan war, told by actual veterans:

They would punish extremist acts by throwing women and children out of a helicopter, Pinochet style. The person who told me that drank ever since he got back from the war and never stopped.

There was one man who left his tent for a midnight leak and came back to his entire tent with their throats slit. Had insane PTSD.

My father-in-law got his legs messed up by machine gun fire, got airlifted to East Germany to get put back together, doesn't talk much, but still drinks a lot.

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[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 63 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Russian government spokespeople say lots of things.

Very few of them are true, or accurate.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Oh it's a bit dumber than that. Russia tried to occupy Afghanistan in the 1980s and got fuckin romped worse than the US did and that was with peak Russian power and no near endless supply of Russia surplus for insurgents to use.

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[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ruzzia knows all about humiliating fiascoes.

[–] remotelove@lemmy.ca 44 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Especially in Afghanistan.

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[–] Tebbie@lemmy.world 44 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ukraine wants the help. Afghanistan didn't. Also, the Soviet Union did a similar thing in Afghanistan.

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[–] jeena@jemmy.jeena.net 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The question is, which time Afganistan, when Russia had to get out or the US?

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Was about to say, at least the US withdrawing from Afghanistan isn't literally a cause of the entire country collapsing into 14 smaller new states and also the entire western bloc

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[–] macrocephalic@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The difference is that Vietnam and Afghanistan were civil wars. It's very difficult to win a war when a sizable portion of the citizens are fighting against you. Ukraine seems to be very united against a common enemy: Russia.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 36 points 1 year ago

He knows all about fiascos in afghanistan

[–] Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because Russia had so much success against Afghanistan themselves. Pretty sure they've had their asses handed to them in the far east as well.

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[–] Hossenfeffer@feddit.uk 27 points 1 year ago

Russia says US support for Ukraine will end as ‘humiliating fiasco’ like ‘Vietnam and Afghanistan’

Of course that Is what Russia says. They were hardly likely to say 'That''s it, game over for us, we're withdrawing all our troops now.'

[–] shiroininja@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I mean he’s kinda right if we don’t just commit to fully helping Ukraine instead of waffling with every budget, bill, and election.

But him saying that is a good way to motivate stubborn Americans, so he can keep on saying it. It’ll get us going.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

The Kremlin warned that American support for Ukraine could turn into a decade-long folly

If I were to bet, it would be that the US can keep this up for a decade more-readily than you can.

I don't think that this is going to keep going for a decade, though.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/04/11/the-clock-is-ticking-russia-has-a-one-year-reserve-of-weapons/?sh=1e6a63f915e0

Russian industry produces 500 or 600 new tanks and maybe a little more than a thousand new fighting vehicles every year. The Russian military loses more than a thousand tanks and close to 2,000 fighting vehicles every year—and the loss rate is increasing.

There’s a gap—one the Kremlin fills by pulling out of long-term storage tanks and fighting vehicles dating back to the 1970s, or even the ’60s or ’50s in some cases. But these old vehicles are a finite resource. Built during the Soviet Union’s industrial heyday, they cannot be replaced with new production.

Ominously for the Russians, the most recent projections anticipate that, as early as mid-2025, there won’t be any more old tanks and fighting vehicles left in storage. “Time is running out for Russia,” wrote Artur Rehi, an Estonian soldier and analyst.

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[–] cyd@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Vietnam is a pretty darn poor example for them to be bringing up. A much poorer country fights for its independence against bigger countries with seemingly insurmountable advantages (first France, and then the USA). And by dint of sheer national sacrifice, sustained over 20+ years of fighting, manages to outlast the enemy. Don't forget also that the Vietnamese started from a vastly poorer and more backward position compared to the Ukrainians.

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