So... SCOTUS decides in Trump's favor, Biden has him assassinated, Biden wins election.
Trump is arguing that this will be OK, right? Right?
I wish someone would confront Trump about that during an interview. “So, do you have an armed guard, because you’re saying Biden can legally kill you?”
And then far right media would parrot for weeks that Biden actually wants to kill Trump. If they did what they did for a “stolen election” imagine what they would do if they had “reason” to suspect that Trump could be assassinated at Bidens wish
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
That's their favorite stance. Because then they can claim moral righteousness. If you can't get an upper hand logically, the next is emotionally.
I'd be pretty surprised if there were a private security option capable of holding off the military, if the president really wanted someone dead and had the legal go-ahead.
I'd be really surprised if Trump could afford them.
Then there's the military's 'knife bomb'...
"While other versions of the Hellfire take out targets in the expected ways — through explosive force or with shrapnel — the R9X crushes or slices a target to death. It is essentially a flying bundle of swords that can kill the occupant of a car without harming people around the vehicle."
How SOCOM's secret 'knife bomb' became the prime weapon for killing hard-to-reach terrorists
You've also forgotten the easiest method - simply bribing (or in this case ordering, as the Secret Service still answers to Biden regardless of the fact that they protect Trump, AFAIK) someone close to him to kill him.
He's a broke bitch, owes half a billion in foreign loans alone. On another note, what kind of security force would be willing to suicide for him? His cult45? They have a combined IQ of an air conditioned room, the military would take them out like mowing your grass.
Lol if this were legal, there isn't an armed guard, or even military on the planet that could save you from a us president with a gbu_28 on deck
This is why they are delaying it until after the election. If Biden wins, they continue to stretch out the trial until Trump dies because of his old age and bad health, then go, "Well the defendant is dead so no reason to rule on this", leaving it open until they get another chance
If Trump wins, then they rule in Trump's favour with the trial suddenly going at breakneck speed
No, they'll decide the bullshit immunity in June. But the delay is correct. By putting off deciding, they've delayed the actual trial until after the election. Fucking illegitimate Supreme Court. They didn't waste time saying Colorado couldn't leave him off the ballot, even going out of their way to not address the 14th Amendment disqualification.
Well Trump will obviously wait until he's installed himself as a dictator in perpetuity before making this ok
SCOTUS would just argue it isn’t an official act if Biden does it.
If they decide that Presidents have total immunity, Biden better disappear a bunch of the SCOTUS, as well as a bunch of the insurrectionist Republicans. I don't want to have an authoritarian in charge, but if I had to choose between Biden or trump, the choice is pretty easy.
Technically Biden would have to shoot the man himself, anyone he could order to do it either cannot legally and would basically just be eating the legal bullet for him even though he's not in danger of it, or they have a legal duty to refuse the order.
The Democratic Party is the exact kind of stupid to have it ruled that a President can assassinate political rivals, refuse to use the power, lose the election, and then act surprised when they all get executed.
The problem is the SCOTUS said "maybe, see what the lower courts say" which is the only winning move for fascists on the question of presidential immunity. We all know what they really want to say is "Trump is immune, Biden is not" and kicking the can down the road until after the election accomplishes that, if Trump wins.
Yes. They'll know what the "Constitutional Originalism" says about this one sometime in November.
If Biden wins no immunity, if Trump wins... Yes immunity
This is exactly what will happen. If there is a ruling that the president can do whatever the fuck, this democracy is done. You'd hope to see Biden go down with the ship shooting from the bow. Unfortunately he wouldn't. Dems will be trying to handshake across the aisle until they are executed the afternoon of Jan. 20th.
God I wish they would just be more blunt:
“So according to you, Biden can kill you? If you say yes then hitmen will be on their way”
I’m sure I’ll backfire but god damn it’s annoying when they try to be civil against bad faith actors.
That's how fascists play the game, they act ridiculous because the other guy cares too much about decorum and being polite to question the absurdity, so they just go along with it.
Does Trump realize that if he "wins" that particular argument, that would empower Biden to have Trump killed without consequence? Or the supreme court justices he rammed into the court? Or his voters?
Oh wait... republicans are utterly incapable of forseeing potential consequences of what they want nm.
Does Trump realize that if he “wins” that particular argument, that would empower Biden to have Trump killed without consequence?
As of today, Trump has been held in contempt of court 10 times, with the judge explicitly stating "The last thing I want to do is put you in jail".
This is a guy who has been so utterly swaddled from consequences that I genuinely do not believe he feels threatened by the prospect of extra-judicial assassination by a political rival. Liberals are Woke and Soy. They don't have the cajones to pull the trigger. And I've seen little to suggest he's wrong in this belief. The police are far more willing to crack the heads of Columbia liberal arts students than MAGA Chuds. And the courts have been incredibly lenient towards J6ers, particularly those with the money and influence to plead favorable terms in court.
Meanwhile, Epic MAGA Dudes run rampant through JSOC, the FBI, and the Secret Service. If anything, this is a threat against Biden. Combined with the claim that he's the legitimate president and was robbed of his second term, this line of reasoning is intended to carve a legal path for a coup from friends in the military and police.
Part of the reason that courts are so lenient with him is to avoid that, once he is judged, that there is any space for anyone to claim a mistrial or that he was mis treated. It's unfortunate z but that's the way the justice system works, and trump abuses that to the max.
That is why the judge explicitly says "I don't want to jail you" just so that it's said that he can, but won't. Yet. Now that trump has been ordered to pay, it's only a few thousand dollars, but again, that's the law. Judges can't just change that on their own whims.
So next up, if Trump blabs again, which he will, he will go to jail. I read something about the secret service already trying to figure out how to protect trump in jail, because that's their responsibility, wherever the idiot is, so let's just say that the next step may blvery we'll be quite funny.
Having said that: I am happy they are taking their time and are being very careful, last thing you want is an exonorated trump because of some procedural error or because trump indeed was not tried fairly.
Part of the reason that courts are so lenient with him is to avoid that, once he is judged, that there is any space for anyone to claim a mistrial or that he was mis treated.
And why are these bureaucrats obsessed with a perception of fairness for Donald Trump when they were so cavalier with the treatment of a guy like Steven Donziger or Aaron Swartz or Brandon Mayfield or Leonard Peltier?
The argument advanced by liberals is that Donald Trump presents an extraordinary threat to democracy and civil liberties in the US if elected. So... surely he's got himself booked on a one-way trip to Guantanamo Bay, right? Or, at the very least, he'll be receiving the same treatment as Chelsea Manning or Reality Winner, right?
So next up, if Trump blabs again, which he will, he will go to jail.
I will put up $1000 to your $100 that Trump will not spend a single full day in jail if he is once again dinged for being in contempt of court.
Having said that: I am happy they are taking their time and are being very careful
They're running out the clock until election day, so they can throw out the case.
That is why they are trying to push the decision until after the election. If Trump wins, the president has full immunity to do whatever he wants. If Biden wins they'll likely say the president can be held accountable for their actions as president.
The claim is also in perpetuity of the title, not just while holding office.
If this passes, Obama needs to walk right up to Trump, and slap him like a bitch.
Would love to hear the followup question, "If the president decides a supreme court justice is a corrupt person..."
What would be wild is if the "legal" justification they landed on was that the president specifically is immune but not the people under him. So you'd just have to hand Biden or Trump a handgun and watch them march up to someone and kill them because no police or military has the authority to stop the president
Obviously I don't want to live in that world but at least then we're living in a crazy movie dystopia which might at least be more fun to watch
Been time to kick those justices out and put some fresh ones in
Execute the ones that vote yes.
Too effective of a strategy for a Dem to pursue.
No need to kick them out.
They were being traitors to the country. Just "remove" them.
Man at did point we really are gonna find out some art teacher shamed Trump's interest in painting.
"You used far too much orange!", the teacher said. And the rest is history...
Its not an art teacher, it's his dad who hated him and loved Fred until Fred fucked up in business (being compassionate) at which point his dad basically disowned his brother and took Donald as his heir. His brother later drank himself to death because of the way his dad treated him and is the reason Donald doesn't drink.
If the president can order a drone strike from across the world, why can't it be against his political opponents at home.
Oh yeah... The US has sanctioned extrajudicial assassination under Mr. "Yes We Can" Barak Obama. We're far on the wrong side of that slope.
That might be true, but the gays are turning the frogs gay! Enough is enough! Maga 2024 /s
So he's saying Biden is legally within his rights to assassinate Trump?
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