It's not on women to soften their complaints of rape and harassment to try to prevent men from becoming incels and Nazis.
For Fucks Sake
Men can deal with the very mild discomfort of being occasionally reminded women have to always be vigilant.
It's not on women to soften their complaints of rape and harassment to try to prevent men from becoming incels and Nazis.
For Fucks Sake
Men can deal with the very mild discomfort of being occasionally reminded women have to always be vigilant.
absolutely agree ❤️
which is why i am very thankful for those who put in patience and effort into encouraging young men to see their shortcomings ~ outside the context of women voicing their experiences ~ in order to achieve a more equitable future for all
Dudes need to sack up and realize there's a lot of dudes out there that are creepy. It's up to you as a stand up dude to call these creepy dudes out when they act up. Women don't owe you anything, you stand up for them because it's the right thing to do, and not because you want sex.
Being a model and force of positive masculinity is chad, sigma-pilled, and hot as hell. 🙂↕️🥵🐺💪
Telling dudes to sack up is toxic masculinity. I thought we were against that.
Absolutely. Unfortunately, I think the biggest impact of decent men standing up for fair treatment for women will simply be to make the cretins run back under their rocks - certainly good, but not enough. It'll take generational change, changing the way boys are raised, the kind that's been slowly happening with each successive wave of feminism, to truly solve this problem.
I was lucky enough to have a mother who was, despite being otherwise fairly conservative, unyieldingly feminist (in practice and speech, if not in labeling). I was raised with the knowledge that women, fundamentally, are people (gasp), for better and worse, and that society unfairly discriminates against women and harasses them for no other reason than the petty cruelty of a few who benefit and the many who are easily misled or hope to benefit.
Know what tipped me off that Lemmy really doesn't get nuance?
There was an article about a ride-share / taxi company that cateted to women and provided drivers who were also women, to make them feel safer getting a ride.
The comments were absolutely venomous, calling it out as "sexism" and how "what's to stop me from identifying as a woman and calling? They can't refuse me!" which.... fuckin' oof.
But I figured out why they're upset: because they want people to be treated equally instead of acknowledging that some people have different needs that may require extra services to level the playing field.
Equality vs. Equity.
Wait Cabracadabra is real!?
I agree with your comment though, taking special care for vulnerable populations is important and when in a privileged position can (incorrectly) feel like exclusion.
I think young men who are at a particular vulnerable and formative age seek community and to make their impression on the world.
That feeling has been weaponized by alt-right influencers to start a culture war in order to stifle class conflict.
The fact that is post got removed for trolling is exactly why my feelings towards the bear meme have evolved from annoyed to "Reminded of the multiple times women have attempted to use cops as a weapon against me"
This has happened to you multiple times? In what type of situation does this happen to you?
Holy shit I am so sorry this happened to you!?! That is not cool.
ACAB and also abusive women can kick rocks
Everyone has a right to be heard.
Everyone has a right to their pain.
Someone else's pain being acknowledged and addressed does not invalidate yours.
Comparing pain leads only to a race to the bottom when we should all be lifting each other up.
Acknowledging someone's pain also makes it easier to understand their motives, find common ground, and love forward together
love forward
wait i love this actually i don’t know if it was a typo or not and honestly i don’t care this is such a beautiful phrase
I agree. That doesn't mean women should step back to please men, rather that we all as a society need to take the problem of disenfranchised men as the serious issue and long term threat to stable society that it is. This doesn't mean that we need to fight them, just communicate to them in a better way.
The Virgin Exclusive vs. The Chad Dialectic
looks up what those words mean
so true
EDIT: Post has restored and it turned out to be a misunderstanding! Thank you to the mod team for being really chill about this. :)
You guys have no clue how sad I am that the mods did this. I reached out for an explanation, but nothing so far, and all that positive discussion and holding each other accountable is just wiped out, meanwhile all of the other posts full of straight up misogynistic hate and flaming is still up. Guess this is what I get for trying to be a good actor online.
Take heart. Should the reason be less than stellar, the fediverse protects you by offering numerous venues to share your thoughts.
Fundamentally, you only require an audience who wishes to hear. You were able to come to this place and share anyway. No one can dominate the discussion. It’s a beautiful thing.
Honestly serves me right for trusting any .world community without JonsJava as a mod. 😝 JonsJava and the Blahaj mods are what make this platform bearable.
Edit: The mods reached out and were actually very kind about the misunderstanding. No hard feelings!
I'm not sure youth disenfranchisement is caused by bad rhetoric considering the other causes like wealth inequality and generally poor life fulfillment
No, not caused by, it just feeds the confirmation bias of people who are already on that mental path.
I saw your post and don't think it should have been removed, let alone banned, but I don't think you did yourself any favours in the comments. You kept asserting it as fact that there is a huge problem with silencing SA survivors, and when asked to give evidence, the only thing you had was three comments in the same thread, where the one sexist guy was being downvoted and the multiple people correcting him were upvoted. Not good evidence of a systemic problem.
(Ironically, you now do have that evidence, in the form of your ban.)
Literally no. Entirely different post you are referencing, one that is still up in fact.
Many of the votes reversed after I made this post due to brigading. Careful, you are spreading a bit of misinformation here, dude. :)
How does the man/bear discussion disenfranchise and antagonize young men?
On top of not being a creeper, you also need to bathe regularly to get a chance at a date.
Does the fact that you have to bathe regularly antagonize and disenfranchise young men?
I would argue the man/bear thought experiment gives young men a useful look inside the average womans life that they wouldn't have had otherwise.
I don't read this as the discussion disenfranchising young men, rather just stating that the broader disenfranchisement of the working class has its effect of making many men vulnerable to far right rhetoric of a day where many white cis-het men did not have to try, like at all (at least, that's the rhetoric).
I read this as saying that we need to counter these societal issues on multiple fronts; not pandering to right-wing men, while also not letting the far right rhetoric take hold of younger men. Offering a good alternative which actually helps them (leftism) instead.
Exactly this. ^^^ Excellent expression of my position, thanks homie :)
This post got banned from !memes@lemmy.world for reason “Troll Posting” which is Very Disrespectful in my opinion. 😕
I find it really disrespectful as well since it was one of the most productive and well tempered OPs on this whole drama arc, at least on Lemmy.
I was "groomed" into the far-right around 2006-2010, and I have to say progressives always understood me much better than anyone on the right. Best the right could do is blame my single mother for remarrying to an abusive jerk due to financial necessity, my father for not taking me with himself to my also abusive stepmother (my actual parents also needed a lot of self-reflection to be at least tolerable), and of course the same scaremongering and Jordan Peterson-level life "advices" that are popular today. They were way more transparent about not understanding gaming and the likes, unlike today's right that pretends to care about it with its gamergates and similar culture war talking points.
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