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Fallout 4 mods are broken again following update (www.eurogamer.net)
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[-] aaaa@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The mods that updated for the first update were already updated within 24 hours of the next one.

The only mods that are still broken now are mods that were made and maintained by people who have stopped playing the game some time ago.

And even most of those still work, if they didn't rely on the script extender

[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 64 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The game is a decade old. I get the feeling that most mods will never be updated.

Downvoters should go check out the Stellaris mod graveyard. So many good mods gone forever.

[-] icesentry@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago

Damn, you're right, it's almost been a decade already. I honestly thought it was younger than that.

[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

I don't like thinking about that, lol. Skyrim being 13 really makes me feel old

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[-] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

Sure but that still leaves a lot of unnecessarily broken mods. I don't know how backwards compatible a lot of the main mods are but doesn't this risk forcing players to either upgrade and uninstall some old mods, downgrade and uninstall some new/updated mods, or downgrade and play the guessing game of which versions of which mods are compatible where? And after the backlash of the first update Bethesda went ahead and did it again so clearly they don't care about steamrolling modders' work and they might do it again. Modders going to give up eventually and go back to New Vegas lol

[-] aaaa@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The mods that weren't backwards compatible were primarily the ones that depended on the script extender. This was an unsupported executable that expanded on the commands available to the scripts in the mods.

Not to say unsupported is bad, but everyone was well aware that if they depended on the script extender, they would break if the game updated at all. The biggest mods avoided that dependency for exactly this reason, and really didn't have any trouble. (Sim Settlements still worked the entire time, for example)

And like usual, the community stepped up and updated their unsupported extension quickly, ready for this outcome.

If you made a mod that depends on the script extender and then quit playing the game or supporting your mod, that was a choice you made as a modder. Meanwhile there's mods that haven't seen an update in 8 years that continue to work without issue.

[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

People act like mods breaking after an update is new. Bethesda (and every other dev team) has been doing it since Morrowind (and long before that) The MWSE and everything else were fine back then, too.

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.de 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah, Minecraft updates break mods all the time but there it is just something the community accepts as normal and lives with. The huge update rage is something I only see with Bethesda game modding.

[-] ahornsirup@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 month ago

Because Bethesda games are exclusively single player and offer absolutely no way to decline updates. If they had the old version available as a "beta" or (even better) if Valve stopped dying on the "every game must be updated before launching it even single player games because fuck you" hill there wouldn't be any outrage.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

No way to decline update

Turn automatic updating off for the game in question in Steam, and then set the download rate for Steam to 0 so it can't update when you start up the game.

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.de 3 points 1 month ago

So you say that you want the gog.com version of the game then?

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[-] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

People have whined about this for twenty years. Yawn

[-] IronKrill@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Then perhaps it is an issue that should be remedied?

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[-] aaaa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Right, that's really more of a Steam issue than a Bethesda issue. I get why Valve and Bethesda don't want to provide customer support for old versions, but they don't have to. People have been figuring out their own problems when using obsolete systems or software for a long time.

I have no issue with Steam pushing the updates and encouraging you to take them, but giving no way to decline is a pretty poor user experience. Especially when we already know they keep old versions on their servers, as people have made guides on how to downgrade with Steam

[-] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean, the issue is that the updates fix nothing of value and break mods in this decade old game. Passable update for console, “why did you even try?” on pc.

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

They add plenty of value, people just haven't really read into it. I.e. widescreen support, performance optimization, etc.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 1 month ago

You mean things that mods had fixed almost a decade ago?

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah, but let's be real - modding isn't for everyone. The show was a mainstream hit, so a lot of eyes were on the game again. Adding native improvements like that are a benefit to the game overall and to the people who don't know how to mod or care enough to do it. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. But at the end of the day, hooking to a binary is just a hotfix away from being broken till someone fixes it again.

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[-] xan1242@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

Technical question - does the script extender use signature/pattern scanning at all?

It sounds to me that it may have broken because it doesn't use it.

You could say "oh they recompiled it so the registers changed" but I highly doubt they changed the code that much or touched optimization flags.

[-] DarkMetatron@feddit.de 3 points 1 month ago

The next gen update used a completely different compiler, and that created a highly different executable, that's why the update for script extender took so long and that's why the script extender for next gen edition is unable to load "old" script extender mods.

It is the same that happened with Skyrim Anniversary Edition.

[-] xan1242@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Oh this is the "next gen" update? That would explain things.

Oh well...

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

They actually do fuck up the memory registers. It's essentially the same problem DFHack has whenever Dwarf Fortress gets an update.

[-] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 31 points 1 month ago

Yes...core game updates typically do break mods. This is nothing new

[-] jws_shadotak@sh.itjust.works 39 points 1 month ago

It's mostly about the timing that is infuriating people. Fallout regained popularity with the TV show and they dropped a mod breaking release days later. Now they keep updating it with shit nobody asked for and breaking mods.

[-] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago

Ahh I see. Timing is key. Thx

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[-] bigboig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 1 month ago

I hope all the newbies already learned to turn off auto updates

[-] Mikufan@ani.social 2 points 1 month ago

Can't you revert to different versions on Steam?

[-] Malix@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 month ago

only if the dev/publisher/whoever-responsible offers the different versions as available branches in the game's properties. Some do, most don't.

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[-] herrcaptain@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 month ago

Graham Wagner even reminisced about a bug he came across while playing The Elder Scrolls 2: Daggerfall, stating that adding 'glitches' into a then-hypothetical second season of the show was "definitely on [his] mind as a concept".

Now I'm seriously hoping there's a scene in season 2 where a character walks into a room and every object on every surface just sorta freaks out and clatters around, a la the traditional Bethesda physics engine insanity.

[-] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Really need those clicks, huh Eurogamer?

They're really making an article about mods breaking when the game is updated, an event that nearly always happens when any game is updated. Incredible.

[-] Mikufan@ani.social 7 points 1 month ago

Isn't it good practice for news to report on things?

[-] Zozano@aussie.zone 5 points 1 month ago

Sure, but things like this are implied.

Imagine if the weather reporter started explaining how it'll begin raining next week, causing puddles, wet clothes and slippery surfaces.

Yeah, we know, that tends to happen when it rains.

[-] Sneptaur@pawb.social 3 points 1 month ago

Controversy drives engagement

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[-] Zahille7@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I mean it's working. Have you read some of the entitled bullshit people are posting in the comments?

[-] Turd_Ferg@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

I read the headline and thought "well yea, no shit. Thats what happens". It must be a slow news day (you can only report the "new" release date for gta so many times).

[-] mihnt@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago

Uh, I was just thinking and I don't think I've seen it mentioned. Have these updates broken the creation club mods?

[-] shani66@ani.social 6 points 1 month ago

I believe creation club dlc does keep working, feel free to assume the worst.

[-] Captain@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Why even share this? (Or more accurately why even make this article) Everyone knows every update will break mods, nobody is surprised and nobody needs to read an article about it Everytime a moldable Bethesda game updates.

[-] OnlyTakesLs@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah, we know. And its always a shit update too, nothing worth breaking mods for. Just break steam updates and move on.

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