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[-] ComradePlatypus@hexbear.net 52 points 2 months ago

Can't imagine how much bleaker things would be today if the PRC had collapsed alongside the USSR, Warsaw Pact, Yugoslavia etc.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 2 months ago

indeed, we'd be living in a nightmare world without any hope right now

[-] SugandeseDelegation@lemmygrad.ml 48 points 2 months ago
[-] Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml 39 points 2 months ago

They're still coping about it 35 years later...

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 months ago

that's the funniest part

[-] ksdhf@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 2 months ago

They have to, this is one of the biggest cold war disinfo campaigns. if they release the information about the Tiananmen events people will question every single major news event from the 20th century and even current events happening now.

[-] huf@hexbear.net 4 points 2 months ago

no they wouldnt. if the CIA released all the info in a document titled "we did it cos we're monsters", they'd immediately pivot to supporting it because it's necessary to stop evil china.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 38 points 2 months ago

No coincidence the color revolution happened during/immediately after Gorbachev's visit, which was the official end to the Sino-Soviet split. With the official reconciliation of the PRC and USSR, the US pivoted back to treating China as the enemy and conspired to overthrow the CPC.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 months ago
[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 34 points 2 months ago

I remember getting into an argument on here just after federation (I think) about how would western powers "invent" ten thousand dead people, as though the three sources for that number couldn't just lie (none of whom were there). They were getting quite heated but also lots of laugh reacts???

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 33 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I remember there was a lot of arguing about this around that time. People were literally repeating the "tanks ran over corpses repeatedly to mulch them" story. Top minds of reddit-logo .

[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 24 points 2 months ago

It's gospel here in Australia. You're super massively weird if you don't believe it

[-] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 2 months ago

Same in Canada. I remember being taught about the Tiananmen "massacre" in a really graphic and honestly traumatizing way in sixth grade. What I don't remember is being taught about the genocide of American indigenous peoples with nearly the same level and type of emotion attached to it.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 2 months ago

Something tells me that brutal lynchings and burning alive unarmed PLA soldiers were not covered in that class.

[-] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 months ago

They were most definitely not.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 9 points 2 months ago

Are you including the "tanks grinding corpses" part or just the "massacre" in general?

[-] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 months ago

It was a long time ago and the memory isn't clear, but I remember a short story in which the protagonist character is either run over by a tank or disappears in some forested area after being shot down by soldiers. It was horribly graphic and entirely inappropriate for eleven year olds.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 7 points 2 months ago

Christ, it was cruel of them to expose you to that at such a young age.

I remember being shown a rather brutal scene of an Civil Rights activist being shot a point blank range and left to bleed out, and I am glad I had education that was uncompromising on "The Civil Rights movement was valiant and opposed by monstrous people", but it probably could have been communicated in a more age-appropriate way. I think I was at a similar age.

Weaponizing the "education by trauma" of things that you really have no basis for believing in is just terrible. I feel like there's some "generational trauma" around gusano descendants that is like an intensified version of this, where they will be told completely fatuous myths that are emotionally impactful to them as credulous little kids and it will scar them into falling in line. I once met someone descended from people who fled the Chinese Civil War who told me about Mao's guys burning down some old library. Now, I've spent some time reading absolutely hairbrained accusations, some real "Private Life of Mao" shit, and I have never once seen the accusation that, during or around the Civil War, his guys burned down even a single library (it surely must have happened, but by accident as with burning down any other kind of building). Even deliberately fishing through crank blogs and such, I could not even find the accusation that this was done, much less proof. You will be unsurprised to find out that this did not sway my interlocutor even in the slightest, because what can I say compared to the gravely recounted stories of memaw and pepep?

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[-] keepcarrot@hexbear.net 8 points 2 months ago

Idek where it comes from here, I don't remember it at school at all

[-] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago

That crypto-fascist school curriculum aside, it's just part of the myths our western cultures tell us about China. They're so ingrained in our lives that most people have some passing knowledge of the myths, but no idea where they first heard them.

[-] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 months ago

I was in an international school, in occupied Hong Kong, right after it happened.

I remember my teacher showing us the tank man photo on the front page of the South China Morning Post.

I remember him telling us to think about (i.e. assume) what would happen next to that brave man.

I remember it vividly, because I was an 8-year-old being told by a trusted adult to imagine a man being run over by a tank. I wouldn't see the actual tank man video and find out what really happened next for nearly 2 decades.

Fucking wormtongue ghouls.

[-] AnarchoBolshevik@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We have more evidence that the Fascists ran tanks over Senegalese soldiers, yet I can’t say that I’ve seen antisocialists either mentioning or discussing that much, let alone as often as the rumour that the PLA deliberately ran tanks over Chinese citizens.

[-] ksdhf@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago

We have videos/photos of IOF doing it now in Gaza...

[-] xkyfal18@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 2 months ago

This is probably gonna get brigaded to death and I'm here for it

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 32 points 2 months ago

Nah, they're just going to make a .world thread about it so they can have their echo chamber.

[-] xkyfal18@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 months ago

Fair enough lmfao

[-] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 months ago

Defensive positions, folks

[-] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 months ago

Good. We encourage debate, especially when it comes to this topic.

[-] xkyfal18@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 months ago

Absolutely, it’s just that many aren’t willing to listen.

[-] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 months ago

nah im pretty sure we scared and banned them all at this point

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 months ago

Doubt it, maybe we should give them a hint.

[-] deathtoreddit@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
[-] sinovictorchan@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Is it death to NGOs who depends on funding by governments by Western European diaspora that engages in activities that sound good on paper but bad in practice like the Indian Residential fake school holocaust that evolved into the Nazi Holocaust?

[-] deathtoreddit@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 months ago

Yes, but you can call them Western!

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 26 points 2 months ago
[-] miz@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)
[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 months ago
[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 21 points 2 months ago

I wish Guatemala had done this with our color revolution.

[-] JoeDaRedTrooperYT@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 months ago

Social credit added

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 17 points 2 months ago

+12 social credit score, I think. Or minus. It's not even real, so who cares?

[-] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I once saw a vid about the credit score being real but it was like piloted in one or two cities in China and it was for stuff like returning your city sharing bike to the correct place in a decent state or something and if you didn't do it in a proper way a few times you'd be blocked for renting one

[-] Jonathan12345@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 months ago
[-] DankZedong@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 months ago

Literally no freedom to drop electric scooters and bikes on the sidewalk blocking wheelchair bound people on their way to the supermarket 😔

[-] chesmotorcycle@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 months ago

Obligatory: Tang Dynasty's version of The Internationale. The rock rendition goes hard, and there's amazing socialist iconography since Mao in the video.

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[-] fire86743@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 months ago

What does that translate to?

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 months ago

I think it roughly translates to celebrate defeating western color revolution plot, 35th anniversary.

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