Conservatism is Brain Damage : usauthoritarianism

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 124 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I don’t know, it seems pretty simple nowadays. Are you a cunt who gives a shit about whether dudes want to bang dudes or dress like chicks? Do you wish to oppress brown or black people, like on purpose, in an exertive manner? Are you trying to subjugate women? Do you long for a country in which the rule of law is taken directly from fairy tales? Are you trying to institutionally establish a single in-group and several out-groups? You’re a fucking fascist, you deserve to have your shit kicked in.

[-] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

They explain all these away as not that bad, or not what they want. Some examples:

Are you a cunt who gives a shit about whether dudes want to bang dudes or dress like chicks?

Conservative: No, I am for traditional gender roles and family values

Do you wish to oppress brown or black people, like on purpose, in an exertive manner?

Conservative: No, I just think that people should stay with their own kind.

Are you trying to subjugate women?

Conservative: No, I am for traditional gender roles and family values

Do you long for a country in which the rule of law is taken directly from fairy tales?

Conservatives: The US is a christian nation which means our laws should be based on the Bible

They're going to weasel out of it, not just to stop discussion but also because it makes them feel bad that this is the outcome of their politics.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Have you seen this YouTube video of some black teenagers robbing a Guche bag store? Did you not learn about the immigrants with leprosy? Have you seen what they're posting on Nextdoor?!! Drag queens are invading libraries and trying to turn these kindergartners gay, and this based traditional father isn't going to take it anymore.

They spit on our veterans! They want to have sex with dogs! They are becoming radicalized by Shari Law and turning the big cities into No Go Zones with their Ground Zero Mosques! They are PERSECUTING CHRISTIANS LIKE IN THE BIBLE!

I saw it on Newsmax. They're the only ones reporting on what's in the vaccines.

Why aren't you taking this seriously? Is it because of TikTok? Have the Chinese made you Woke?

[-] splonglo@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

That's pretty on point. A lot of normal-brained people can't comprehend the mind of the rightoid, but this is pitch-perfect.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Man... I am 69% sure this is top-shelf trolling to illustrate the evils of conservatism. But, I am genuinely not sure. If this is a troll, it's very well done.

[-] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

Check his post history. He is indeed being sarcastic. Sadly not all of his sarcasm gets interpreted as such.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

you deserve to have your shit kicked in.

But you won't, because you're ensconced behind an increasingly large and heavily armed mob of cops

[-] Bremmy@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago

Beautiful 👏

[-] darvocet@infosec.pub 8 points 2 months ago

Excellent description. Saved for reference.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 66 points 2 months ago

I’ve never understood the label. I’ve had to explain on a few occasions that no, you’re not trying to maintain traditional values. You’re just authoritarian.

[-] undergroundoverground@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

Authoritarianism is the traditional value they're trying to maintain

[-] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

it's the traditional conservative value. it's what they're trying to conserve, the time when they're the boss. all the rest is bullshit, every word. If they actually cared about you they'd listen to you

[-] snooggums@midwest.social 18 points 2 months ago

Speaking of traditional values, I still want to know what Southern Pride is if it isn't glorifying the Confederacy.

[-] cmbabul@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So am a southerner, and have relocated, southern pride as in pride in the food, music, language/dialect, and culture all of which is heavily influenced by black people is very different than being one of the assholes flying a confederate flag and claiming the south will rise again.

I should add that I grew up in the 90s and witnessed the rise of black culture to the American mainstream so i probably view my enjoyment of southern things differently than someone 20 years older

[-] unreasonabro@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

i mean, i'm canadian. everybody loves that shit because that shit is good. And it comes from oppression by conservatism, conservatism writ large and taken as a global pattern (nobody gives a shit about american idiosyncrasies), although that certainly doesn't mean its credit belongs to conservatism (just in case a redneck wanders in)

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 58 points 2 months ago

that's because fascism is not like other political views. it doesn't come from thinkers, economists, sociologists or philosophers. it comes from maniacs doing maniacal shit. there is no "theory" to read on fascism. which is why the best academic text you find on it comes from its critics.

[-] devils_advocate@lemmy.ml 45 points 2 months ago

People don't recognise fascism when it's in front of their faces.

Huge military budget
weaponized, authoritarian police force with little oversight.
Nationalist habits like pledging allegiance regularly when young and national anthems when together.
a strong belief that they are the best nation on earth, often backed with religious certainly.

[-] letsgo@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago

Bit like Russia then?

[-] positiveWHAT@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

A bit? Exactly like Russia. They're at the full blown invading neighbors stage.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Declaring war on inantimate objects/conditions

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Ummm many fascists are disguised as intellectuals whose sophistry is only revealed by challenging their assumptions. There were a number of such people who came to rise in Nazi Germany and afterwards, and there are many who are their contemporaries

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[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 49 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Conservatism is a distinct political ideology that basically says not all change is for the better, nothing more--it's in the name: conserve. This is a separate concept from authoritarianism, which is all about how power flows. It's possible to be conservative and liberal at the same time if society is losing its liberal values.

US republicans are fascists through and through that wear a disguise of conservatism on select issues to convince people to relinquish their political power so that they can do whatever they want.

[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 months ago

Sure, it's theoretically possible, but I've never met a conservative anywhere who actually wants to conserve what they have today. In practice, they all want to go back to the past, and most prefer some kind of fictional 1960s past.

[-] rhombus@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago

That’s the tricky part about conservatism. If their values never change, they are eventually left behind by progress and they become reactionaries. Unfortunately, people just keep accepting their use of the label “conservative” when it stopped fitting them decades ago, which is a convenient cover for the more reprehensible ones.

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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 20 points 2 months ago

Conservatism is a distinct political ideology that basically says not all change is for the better, nothing more

Based on what? Conservatism's roots go back to royalists after the French Revolution. Conservatives were the American colonists who objected to the war of independence calling it treason against the crown. It's not about change in a general way, it's about resisting democratic movements and preserving autocratic rule.

It's possible to be conservative and liberal at the same time

Liberalism is an offshoot of Conservatism that favors empowerment of the economic elite and institutions over kings and politicians. It's economic totalitarianism instead of political totalitarianism. These become indistinguishable when the economic elite capture the body politic.

US republicans are fascists through and through that wear a disguise of conservatism

This is backwards. The disguise is the thing that turns conservatism info fascism. It's the dressing up of conservative totalitarianism with nationalism, religious fundamentalism, racism, and other forms of identitarianism.

[-] buzz86us@lemmy.world 48 points 2 months ago

I like the idea of conservatism, but not the way it is executed.. Like why aren't these people for conservation of the environment, or actually financially conservative? All I'm noticing is greed, and corporate corruption.

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 72 points 2 months ago

Because by "conserve" they mean conserve the status quo.

Rich people stay rich poor people stay poor and anyone who tries to change that is a commie.

[-] stebo02@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 months ago

Rich people *get even richer and poor people *become even more poor.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

The status quo can include trends, it doesn't necessarily mean a static state. "If the status quo is me getting [richer, more powerful, more control], then that's the one I want."

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[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 14 points 2 months ago

It seems useful to note that the EPA was signed into law by Nixon. We have fallen a long way since Reagan took office.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

The EPA was the idea of the progressives who seemed to have some momentum toward eventually achieving it. The conservatives (and their polluting corporate benefactors) were threatened by it. So, Nixon co-opted it while conservatives were still in power with the purpose of making sure it was ineffective. They achieved that.

You'll notice that when conservatives have power, they castrate the EPA and make sure it does not affect any of their benefactors. The Dem neo-liberals usually bend a little toward the progressives and will re-instate some of the EPA's power when the Dems are in charge, but it's never enough to undo whatever damage the last GOP administration did. This is because neo-liberals are conservatives. (They aren't as conservative as Republicans, but they are conservative by every international standard.)

Do not give credit to Nixon for the EPA. Like everything else ever done by a conservative, it was an act of self-serving deception. Nothing good in all of human history has ever come from conservatism. Nothing at all.

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[-] UnaSolaEstrellaLibre@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

They only thing they want to conserve is their capital/social status.

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

I see the lightbulb flickering!

[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

Basically admitting that mainstream conservatism is indistinguishible from fascism.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

It isn't, he's just trying to pull mainstream conservatives in to defend him. The far right has been very successful at getting normal conservatives to cover for them over the last 50 years. The actual ideas of fiscal and social conservatism are only partially aligned with fascism. The far bigger problem with regards to sliding into fascism is America's pro corporate stance.

[-] Socsa@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

"Fiscal conservatism" has always been a straw man though. Literally nobody holds the policy that government should be reckless or wasteful. All fiscal conservatism does is promote one vision of fiscal responsibility, linguistically represented as some ideal.

And of course, social conservatism is just very thinly veiled hate politics.

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[-] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago

Assuming the post was made in earnest - the poor guy is so close to getting it. Just let yourself start with your last sentence buddy, and think out from there.

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

I hate the name of the community is US Authoritarianism when there’s so much fascist rise in EU

And for extra lols the dude in the meme should be asked what he thinks are “normal” right wing policies

[-] Amadou_WhatIWant@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Look, conservatives suck but theyre not fascists. Calling everybody to the right of you fascist waters down the meaning of the word.

Heres a good take by Umberto Eco on what makes fascism distinct from other political movements: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/umberto-eco-ur-fascism

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

It's hard because, yes you are right, but when can you start calling somone a fascist? Do you have have to wait for them to actually start rounding you up and putting you in prison, or can you point it out early in order to avoid the complete fascist takeover?

I guess my point is that, once a group is actually fully fascist, you will no longer be allowed to call them that.

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[-] niktemadur@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

What a dense, stupid motherfucker. Smacked in the face by a sledgehammer of truth that screams at him at full volume, and STILL he cannot grasp the damn thing.

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[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?

[-] just_another_person@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Fascism is a movement led by a cult of personality with no clear direction, but get people to follow with maniacal views and populist energy against a false premise of a target in an "Us V Them" ideology.

Example: "They stand for everything we don't stand for. Also, they told me you guys look like dorks!"

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

“Trying to define fascism is like trying to nail jelly to the wall."

-Ian Kershaw

But yes, Christian Nationalism, oppressive legislation on civil liberties, exploitative economic systems designed to further widen wealth inequality, and support for militant police conduct are all symptoms of fascism.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Are you willing to vote for an obvious criminal who commits election fraud, commits insurrections, extorts foreign governments, and sells top secret documents to adversarial nations? Then you are a fascist.

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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

At least here in the US an admitted fascist won the Republican primary, so anyone who is willing to label themselves a Republican should also be perfectly fine with being labeled a fascist.

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